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      12-01-2020, 03:00 PM   #1
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New Tires for 2021 M5C

I'm expecting delivery of my new 2021 M5C soon and know it is coming with P Zeros. So I have a couple of questions:

1) Are those stock P Zeros Summer Tires?

2) Although where I live doesn't have snow much it does rain a lot and tempatures do drop below 40F, so I should change them to at least All Season right?

3) I've tried searching Tirerack for All Season tires for 2021 M5C, but there are none. Does anyone have any suggestions on what tire I should buy and where?

Thanks all.
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      12-01-2020, 03:02 PM   #2
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How do you know it will have P Zero tires?
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      12-01-2020, 03:05 PM   #3
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How do you know it will have P Zero tires?
Dealer took a video of the car
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      12-01-2020, 05:29 PM   #4
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I'm awaiting for my M5 "carrier assignment" stage. Like others here, wondering what tires I will get lol. Pilot Sport or PZeros. Does anyone know how they allocate these tires as it seems all over the board. Seems like certain wheel options have a higher percentage of PZeros from what I see here. Years back my F10 with M Sport always shipped with Michelin runflats.
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      12-01-2020, 06:40 PM   #5
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It's very dependent on your local weather. I live in Atlanta and almost everyone keeps summer tires year round.

The main risk is very cold and wet weather. While not ideal, summer tires are passable in dry 20+ degree weather with similar performance to winter tires. I just drive more cautiously and do not drive on days with any rain/snow.

I found this video helpful:
https://youtu.be/TJsV2ORMsms
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      12-01-2020, 07:47 PM   #6
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Yes the p zeros are summer tires. My rule of thumb is if it doesn't snow, u should be fine with the summers. I wouldn't get all seasons if I were you. If it doesn't snow/don't drive when it snows, I would just keep the summers. If it does snow where you are, just get a proper set of winter tires. As long as you drive half-sensibly in the rain/cold, and you don't punch it during a turn, you should be fine.
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      12-01-2020, 08:03 PM   #7
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Yes the p zeros are summer tires. My rule of thumb is if it doesn't snow, u should be fine with the summers. I wouldn't get all seasons if I were you. If it doesn't snow/don't drive when it snows, I would just keep the summers. If it does snow where you are, just get a proper set of winter tires. As long as you drive half-sensibly in the rain/cold, and you don't punch it during a turn, you should be fine.
Only problem is I live in the Pacific Northwest, though it doesn't snow, it does rain a lot. I'm worried about rain + temperature below 40
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      12-01-2020, 08:17 PM   #8
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I've driven with high-performance summer tires in Portland, OR on all my cars for the last 15 years, no problem. I just avoid driving in the snow.
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      12-01-2020, 08:20 PM   #9
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I've driven with high-performance summer tires in Portland, OR on all my cars for the last 15 years, no problem. I just avoid driving in the snow.
I see. Does the rain in winter cause any problems?
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Only problem is I live in the Pacific Northwest, though it doesn't snow, it does rain a lot. I'm worried about rain + temperature below 40
Depending on where, you could be talking about consistent highs below 40 to the occasional low below 40, which is a huge difference in itself. I'm not too familiar with the climate range throughout the PNW, but if you are concerned there must be a reason.

I'm in the northeast, and am a huge advocate of switching to winters early here. I make the change once our highs are consistently at or under the mid 50s, which typically occurs in the first or second week of November. My pilots are like ice skates when their temps are below 50, and I have a short commute, so they don't have a chance to warm up on a 40 degree day. We will have a cold day or two that I'm cautious prior, and a nice stetch where I think I could push longer, but there's no beating the secure feeling I get when I throw on the winters and feel that grip (sottozeros here).

If we stayed in the 50s for the most part and only dropped to 40 on occasion, mixed with a longer commute where the tire temps could warm up, I'd probably rock summers all year round. I keep the TPMS on one of my hotkeys so I know when I could press harder regardless of season.
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      12-01-2020, 09:30 PM   #11
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That's weird. Mine came with 4s. Maybe they had a supply shortage.
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The Mich PS4S is a much better cold weather tyre than the outgoing Mich PSS.
I ran my M5 last winter (in the UK) as a daily in temps below 30F no problem at all.
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If you can, I'd ask around to see what people in your local area do.

My personal rule of the thumb - wet and above freezing is ok. Below is not, even if it didn't technically snow. FunkyPant's comment about PS4S improvements is reassuring.
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I see. Does the rain in winter cause any problems?
No. So long as it doesn't freeze, which it usually does not.
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Just search by tire sizes and you should see 2 all season tires (Bridgestone and P zero) from TR.

Looks like there are different versions of P zero, max summer and all season.
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According to a Michelin rep I spoke with, you lose a very modest amount of performance (a couple of %) from summer tires to high performing all seasons in the dry. Cold and wet all seasons are going to perform better.
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