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thanks for the comparison write-up, eclipxe. not surprised the m5 beat the tesla in all categories.
tesla should be applauded for pushing electric tech, performance, & design to mid-market levels, but they can't yet compete with top-market products from leading manufacturers. the price point premium, driven by the leap in tech development, takes tesla out of consideration for many, especially when a consumer can acquire a near top-of-the-market vehicle for considerably less. government subsidies, combined with the lack of economies of scale, don't help the overall market comparison. when the subsidies fully sunset, demand will recede to normalized levels, which should be very informative for tesla and its actual market value and popularity. my prediction: the legacy manufactures will catch up quickly, leverage their scale, & incorporate higher-end design practices to leapfrog tesla. bmw's philosophy (as well as porsche, mercedes, etc.) of introducing tech in top models, followed by a progression downward into lower models, will increase scale and market penetration for the legacy manufacturers, stealing current and future share/opportunity from tesla. this will probably prove to be fatal for tesla. many industries are littered with examples of this phenomenon aiding the incumbents, while killing the emergent change agent. btw, i still remember the first time i drove a 1990 eagle talon. the 190-hp turbocharged four-cylinder engine in all-wheel drive format was a hoot! |
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I'd be careful who you call ignorant. Take a look at MPG, and HP/liter. Until battery technology (combined with energy cost) is at the point where range and cost is no longer an issue for anyone, the internal combustion engine will be prevalent. It's not too long ago that a sub 5 second car was a supercar, and 30mpg was out of this world.
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You assuming I am some petrol fan boy is laughable. Unfortunately I have a 30 mile each way commute and I regularly go on 400mile + road trips so there just wasn't one for me. Also it's a shame that Tesla can't take a page from SpaceX's book... the companies are MILES apart in terms of operation and efficiency.
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Glad to see the ol girl drinking the fossil fuel is the winner compared to the "new tech."
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I don't understand how anyone who truly enjoys driving including the sounds of an engine and the interaction involved w switching gears whether manual or paddles can ever say a Tesla is better than any M car, AMG or RS model. Doesn't make any sense to me. Making cars that are more environmentally friendly I totally get, but when shopping for a drivers car, a fully electric car is safely at the very bottom of my list.
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Thank you for the review on both cars! I have never been a huge fan of Tesla's, I found the interior to be very cheap. (I also despise that it automatically brakes as soon as you let go of the gas).
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Lol they've been saying that for the past 5 years, just unable to executes while all the other car makers are catching up while making tons of profit. When you have competitive advantage and not be able to turn into profit, there is serious issue with the business model.
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As you said before, they are in a niche market and has maximize it (and you say they still need "more" volume to be profitable???) Lol |
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Thanks for the quick review. I test drove a Tesla back in 2014 and said "fuck this". It's a quick, gimmicky Camry imho.
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When you say a company in a niche market needs more volume to be profitable, I believe that proves my case. |
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