[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by n33d4speed

Saw this on FB. Probably same AliBabba supplier.

They make everything look terrible.

[Derosnec]

Possible solution to replacing PG filters without replacing the tubing(which despite being made in china I assume it's honestly fine)
I ordered rk tunes filters, and two 3.5in aluminum joiners, won't be able to put on the car until next week as it's at the dealership…but can anyone tell me why this wouldn't work or why it would be a bad idea?
They are airtight between the joiner and the e filter.

[jnotrom711]

Just for fun ��

#bumpitybumpbump

[NoMods]

tagging this thread, holy shit...

[Blackedm5f90]

now bump it up!

[induc916]

This is funny as shit.

[jnotrom711]

Man, can you guys believe this, I finally got around to putting my PG intake on, and can you believe this? Look how dirty it is?!?!

It almost looks used, and not 100% sure, but not even sure this will fit my M5?Anyone chime in?

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#haterswillsayitsfake #satire #dontworryitsnotreal #onlypostedtobumpthisthread

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Free bump for Serhat!

[RobRed]

This thread is amazing.

[MSchfiftyFive]

Ahhh, this thread was a fun read. I took so many folks through this realization on the Audizine forums when other reputable members on the forums decided to start their own companies and offer products for half the price of the big name local R&D companies, always with their own process, "that's unique and local and never done the way we do it...cause we love cars, blah blah"...which there is nothing *wrong* with if you're honest about the source, but that half price is still generally a ~100-150% markup of the Chinese Alibaba product they're tack welding their logo onto that you could just buy directly. You're not getting anything except the logo and some fluff from whomever sells it to you, and you're giving them a huge markup.

This stuff has been around in modern form (via Alibaba and other Chinese suppliers) for a couple of decades now, and it's just a quick pyramid scheme for fly by night "tuning shops" to sell in bulk and make their money and move on. If you want to run that crap on your car, more power to you, just save yourself 100-150% by buying the original part directly from the Chinese distributor. Companies claiming (and defending?!) inventions from resold Chinese crap with their name printed on it have no scruples, and deserve every bit of negativity that comes their way.

[ONE_slow_m5]

if anyone is interested I have some used eventuri intakes for sale. were used maybe 200 miles now. asking 1800 shipped

[x622]

Originally Posted by MSchfiftyFive

Ahhh, this thread was a fun read. I took so many folks through this realization on the Audizine forums when other reputable members on the forums decided to start their own companies and offer products for half the price of the big name local R&D companies, always with their own process, "that's unique and local and never done the way we do it...cause we love cars, blah blah"...which there is nothing *wrong* with if you're honest about the source, but that half price is still generally a ~100-150% markup of the Chinese Alibaba product they're tack welding their logo onto that you could just buy directly. You're not getting anything except the logo and some fluff from whomever sells it to you, and you're giving them a huge markup.

This stuff has been around in modern form (via Alibaba and other Chinese suppliers) for a couple of decades now, and it's just a quick pyramid scheme for fly by night "tuning shops" to sell in bulk and make their money and move on. If you want to run that crap on your car, more power to you, just save yourself 100-150% by buying the original part directly from the Chinese distributor. Companies claiming (and defending?!) inventions from resold Chinese crap with their name printed on it have no scruples, and deserve every bit of negativity that comes their way.

Imagine when people figure out that most of the wheel companies are the exact same thing...

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by x622

Imagine when people figure out that most of the wheel companies are the exact same thing...

White labeling is everywhere, and not unique to just automotive. It's common in nearly every industry that sells parts, components, or any retail item for that matter. And im not referring to a company developing something themselves, and simply having a Chinese company manufacture THEIR product since these companies have the ability to produce such items with scale needed to have a viable business. I'm referring to the Chinese companies producing and developing parts like intake tubes and down pipes with no branding on them for the sole purpose of companies like project gamma to slap their sticker on it. Which in itself isn't a big issue to me....

The issue with this is less about white labeling, and more about the treatment of their customers, lies about their proprietary development of the parts, lies about their uniqueness and benefits of their intake over others, and the stories they are trying to spew about patents, their own R&D, manufacturing etc. They then pass it off as a premium product they developed. It's clear as day BS. They're actually some no name repair shop or "tuner" claiming they invented the intake, and everyone else has stolen their idea. Its BS.

[JellyStyle]

Serhat got busted, facts, tried to do the old take something else and call it his own. Sadly unless we all post and tell the market, he'll still get away with it.

[F90_m5comp]

Originally Posted by Melo_F90

Been running PG intakes on my last 2 cars and recently got my 3rd set for my new one. No issues, love them

Have you checked your turbo blades yet?

[F90_m5comp]

Most of the guys who used PG in the UK have damaged turbo blades. When they messaged Sam (who was basically in the watsapp group, he basically said to piss off! Around 7 people had to replace their turbo blades. And obviously Sam covered nothing. Absolute joke of a company

[Melo_F90]

Originally Posted by F90_m5comp

Have you checked your turbo blades yet?

Ran them for years on my m4 when a friend of mine purchased out my vehicle and did a single turbo kit turbos were still in perfect condition.

When my old f90 was flooded during hurricane Idah and we tried to see if anything was salvageable on the motor turbos were still good.

Unfortunately sounds like your friends had some bad luck.

[Melo_F90]

Originally Posted by F90_m5comp

Most of the guys who used PG in the UK have damaged turbo blades. When they messaged Sam (who was basically in the watsapp group, he basically said to piss off! Around 7 people had to replace their turbo blades. And obviously Sam covered nothing. Absolute joke of a company

And when you tune a vehicle and the motor goes do you expect your tuner to cover your motor? If your worried about something going wrong then stick to cosmetically modifying your car. "Obviously Sam covered nothing" I wouldn't expect him too. I personally wouldn't cover it either.

[boost3dx]

Originally Posted by Melo_F90

And when you tune a vehicle and the motor goes do you expect your tuner to cover your motor? If your worried about something going wrong then stick to cosmetically modifying your car. "Obviously Sam covered nothing" I wouldn't expect him too. I personally wouldn't cover it either.

You seriously using that argument?

So let's say you bought some wheels. The wheel fails and causes catastrophic damage to let's say the front right of your car. The wheel failure was not caused by any 3rd party, no object in the road, no accident, it just structurally failed. You or your insurance company will just accept it and not try to get the wheel company to pay for the damages? That's not how things work in the real world.

I can take this same scenario and make it for almost any product in any industry.

If a tuner tunes your car, you damn well know going into it and nothing is guaranteed and there's no warranty. If the tune blows the motor, yeah, you're most likely screwed unless they have something in writing. But that's a possibility of anytime you tune your car.

Manufacturers should (and do) do their utmost to make sure that THEIR product doesn't damage other products during its normal operation. If it does, you're damn sure the manufacaturer is on the hook for the damages. It literally happens every day in every industry throughout the civilized world. Please don't try to defend his piss poor response and service with that argument.

[Melo_F90]

Originally Posted by boost3dx

You seriously using that argument?

So let's say you bought some wheels. The wheel fails and causes catastrophic damage to let's say the front right of your car. The wheel failure was not caused by any 3rd party, no object in the road, no accident, it just structurally failed. You or your insurance company will just accept it and not try to get the wheel company to pay for the damages? That's not how things work in the real world.

I can take this same scenario and make it for almost any product in any industry.

If a tuner tunes your car, you damn well know going into it and nothing is guaranteed and there's no warranty. If the tune blows the motor, yeah, you're most likely screwed unless they have something in writing. But that's a possibility of anytime you tune your car.

Manufacturers should (and do) do their utmost to make sure that THEIR product doesn't damage other products during its normal operation. If it does, you're damn sure the manufacaturer is on the hook for the damages. It literally happens every day in every industry throughout the civilized world. Please don't try to defend his piss poor response and service with that argument.

Yes, you are absolutely right. I will be using that argument. Talking about the real world. What world do you like in that you think if something breaks on the car due to a performance mod that the manufacture should cover it? Id love to be in that world. Unfortunately the real world is where if you modify your vehicle with a performance mod and something breaks they shouldn't be held liable. You are aware of the risk. Wheels are not a performance mod.

My last f90 was flooded during hurricane Idah. Water went into the filters (project gamma intakes were installed at this time) and locked up the motor. Whose fault was it for having those intakes? My own fault, I knew the risk of not having a closed intake. No one there to blame but my decision.

When you tune your car you run the risk of the worse case scenario that being a blown motor. It can either be the tuners fault or your fault but no matter what the cost is on you. You should not be expecting anyone other than yourself to be covering that cost. If you do then it brings me right back to my point. Stick to cosmetically modifying your car.

[boost3dx]

Originally Posted by Melo_F90

Yes, you are absolutely right. I will be using that argument. Talking about the real world. What world do you like in that you think if something breaks on the car due to a performance mod that the manufacture should cover it? Id love to be in that world. Unfortunately the real world is where if you modify your vehicle with a performance mod and something breaks they shouldn't be held liable. You are aware of the risk. Wheels are not a performance mod.

My last f90 was flooded during hurricane Idah. Water went into the filters (project gamma intakes were installed at this time) and locked up the motor. Whose fault was it for having those intakes? My own fault, I knew the risk of not having a closed intake. No one there to blame but my decision.

When you tune your car you run the risk of the worse case scenario that being a blown motor. It can either be the tuners fault or your fault but no matter what the cost is on you. You should not be expecting anyone other than yourself to be covering that cost. If you do then it brings me right back to my point. Stick to cosmetically modifying your car.

Dude LOL you're still using arguments that make no sense!!!

The water destroying your car is what destroyed your car. NOT THE INTAKES LOL. Since when are intakes designed TO STOP WATER?

Performance part? Who says wheels aren't a performance part? LOL. So the $7K wheels I bought for track use only, at like 8lbs lighter than stock aren't there for performance? Then why did I buy them?????

YES IF I INSTALL ANY PART (PERFORMANCE OR NOT), AND THE OPERATION OF THAT PART FUCKS UP SOMETHING ELSE ON MY CAR (due to normal operation) YOU'RE 100% RIGHT WHOEVER MAKES THAT PART MUST PAY TO FIX THE OTHER PART(S) (unless whatever happened was caused due to faulty install or goes against whatever you agreed to in terms of install)! Let me explain further....

There are some things, such as tuning, that have an inherent risk of damaging other things, say the motor. I would even agree that installing anything that alters the original function of something else, say your motor (even with intakes), would mean that no one would cover your motor if the intakes caused it to blow. That's not what we're talking about here are we? We're talking about physical damage caused by the failure of a part. If the PG filters failed to do the only thing they are there to do, which is stop shit from getting into the intake, and as a result something was damaged, YES THEY NEED TO STEP UP AND FIX THE PROBLEMS.

If your motor blew because the PG intakes are so good they allow so much air to enter the engine causing a failure, NO, PG is NOT at fault as that would go back to being an inherent risk.

This has taken way too much time to explain, and it's sad it even has to be explained.

[Melo_F90]

Originally Posted by boost3dx

Dude LOL you're still using arguments that make no sense!!!

The water destroying your car is what destroyed your car. NOT THE INTAKES LOL. Since when are intakes designed TO STOP WATER?

Performance part? Who says wheels aren't a performance part? LOL. So the $7K wheels I bought for track use only, at like 8lbs lighter than stock aren't there for performance? Then why did I buy them?????

YES IF I INSTALL ANY PART (PERFORMANCE OR NOT), AND THE OPERATION OF THAT PART FUCKS UP SOMETHING ELSE ON MY CAR (due to normal operation) YOU'RE 100% RIGHT WHOEVER MAKES THAT PART MUST PAY TO FIX THE OTHER PART(S) (unless whatever happened was caused due to faulty install or goes against whatever you agreed to in terms of install)! Let me explain further....

There are some things, such as tuning, that have an inherent risk of damaging other things, say the motor. I would even agree that installing anything that alters the original function of something else, say your motor (even with intakes), would mean that no one would cover your motor if the intakes caused it to blow. That's not what we're talking about here are we? We're talking about physical damage caused by the failure of a part. If the PG filters failed to do the only thing they are there to do, which is stop shit from getting into the intake, and as a result something was damaged, YES THEY NEED TO STEP UP AND FIX THE PROBLEMS.

If your motor blew because the PG intakes are so good they allow so much air to enter the engine causing a failure, NO, PG is NOT at fault as that would go back to being an inherent risk.

This has taken way too much time to explain, and it's sad it even has to be explained.

Yes wheels save weight, they are not considered a performance mod like intakes and a tune. Wheels do not add hp... I purchased lightweight wheels to save time on my 1/4, but I do not consider them a performance mod because again it does not add hp. That's like me gutting the car to save weight would me taking out my rear seats be considered a performance mod? No it wouldn't lol...
As for why you bought 7k wheels, that's on you. Im sure they look good or at least I hope for that amount but to each their own.

Yes water got into my filters and caused water damage. Whats to stop dust or tiny rocks? More than likely on this guys friends car is that over time it built up and eventually caused damage to the turbo. Its not a common situation to hear about but you do hear about such things from time to time.

Intakes are a breather mod. If the tubing breaks off or a piece of the filter broke and flew into the turbo then yes that would be the company's fault, because at that point it would be the direct cause of turbo damage. People have had blown turbos and motors replaced without every modifying the car. If he can show that the intake itself was the the direct cause of the blown turbo then we can point fingers.

As you said "If the PG filters failed to do the only thing they are there to do, which is stop shit from getting into the intake, and as a result something was damaged, YES THEY NEED TO STEP UP AND FIX THE PROBLEMS. " The filter is to help REDUCE the amount of "shit" from getting inside of the intake. Their is no filter that stops everything from getting in unless its a closed airbox. Thus why every company has its own recommendation for when you should change your filters.