[RAUDERRIPPER]

Originally Posted by serhat06

yes marketing, not customer service

Lol. Bro. MASSIVE FAIL.

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Yes, they prototype (PG may have worked with RK for that), send to China for manufacturing, where it then gets copied and eventually copies of copies that American and other companies buy and mark up and sell to you. Years ago, I helped XS Power prototype some BMW exhaust parts and it was not long before copies were being sold. Hard to patent an intake or exhaust pipe.

Dinan does not own any factories in China or have staff on the ground there (though I think Dinan does a decent job at quality control). Apple does. But even Apple owns very little manufacturing. Most is outsourced. What separates the good companies from the rest is quality control and customer service and it makes sense to try to buy from the companies that are good at both if it is a part likely to need servicing. I don’t see any need to spend $3500 on downpipes when the $600 ones do the same job just as reliably.

100% agree. And thats also part of the big issue with PG in this thread.

They claim they have a patent, or made reference they had a patent and developed the intake. Pretty clear they don't have a patent. Did they design and develop the intake? Doubtful.

Theres a huge difference between outsourcing manufacturing, vs simply white labeling a random cheap product and claiming it as your own. And you're correct the difference between good and bad companies is exactly what you stated, if indeed they developed and designed the intake. Even if it's white labeled, you can still develop a successful business/company with that strategy. I have nothing against white labeling. But again, that is VERY different than outsourcing your own product to be manufactured by foreign manufactures that have the bandwidth and facilities to produce your products.

To me, it's pretty clear thats NOT whats going on with PG. The verbiage from PG, and the other fakes, or alibaba is the same. The placement of the silk screened logos is the same. The photos are even the same with a photo shop PG logo.

Then theres the Chinese boxes, shipped to PG referenced by someone. The PG metal badges waiting to be affixed to the Chinese downpipes.

Outsourcing, typically would have outsourced packaging and branding as well as the item itself. Not just a cheap cardboard box shipped from china to "project gamma". Because it is indeed your own product, just made by a different company. PG is buying someone else's product and labeling it as their own. Which is also OK, but the lies, and treatment of their clients is not ok. Thats the issue.

Again, since PG went silent, they could debunk this quite easily if they wanted, but they chose not to.

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by jnotrom711

100% agree. And thats also part of the big issue with PG in this thread.

They claim they have a patent, or made reference they had a patent and developed the intake. Pretty clear they don't have a patent. Did they design and develop the intake? Doubtful.

Theres a huge difference between outsourcing manufacturing, vs simply white labeling a random cheap product and claiming it as your own. And you're correct the difference between good and bad companies is exactly what you stated, if indeed they developed and designed the intake. Even if it's white labeled, you can still develop a successful business/company with that strategy. I have nothing against white labeling. But again, that is VERY different than outsourcing your own product to be manufactured by foreign manufactures that have the bandwidth and facilities to produce your products.

To me, it's pretty clear thats NOT whats going on with PG. The verbiage from PG, and the other fakes, or alibaba is the same. The placement of the silk screened logos is the same. The photos are even the same with a photo shop PG logo.

Then theres the Chinese boxes, shipped to PG referenced by someone. The PG metal badges waiting to be affixed to the Chinese downpipes.

Outsourcing, typically would have outsourced packaging and branding as well as the item itself. Not just a cheap cardboard box shipped from china to "project gamma". Because it is indeed your own product, just made by a different company. PG is buying someone else's product and labeling it as their own. Which is also OK, but the lies, and treatment of their clients is not ok. Thats the issue.

Again, since PG went silent, they could debunk this quite easily if they wanted, but they chose not to.

Because there's nothing to debunk. The forum and you did all the debunking.

EDIT — Your outsourced manufacturing vs. white label point is very cogent and accurate.

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

Because there's nothing to debunk. The forum and you did all the debunking.

Well, FWIW, I was feeling nice tonight , so I was attempting to give the illusion that MAYBE just maybe, they could step up and show contrary evidence. If so, I would HAPPILY and publicly eat my words. Admit I was 100% incorrect...... BUUUUT.... ya know... we'll see. It was my last ditch effort to give PG the benefit of a doubt... I don't know why I care to give them that benefit? With that said, there's very little doubt in my mind that i'm wrong.

Not to mention.... Im sure it pisses PG right off to keep bumping this thread to the top. Maybe I make it my mission every week to bump it right back up. LMAO...

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by jnotrom711

Well, FWIW, I was feeling nice tonight , so I was attempting to give the illusion that MAYBE just maybe, they could step up and show contrary evidence. If so, I would HAPPILY and publicly eat my words. Admit I was 100% incorrect...... BUUUUT.... ya know... we'll see. It was my last ditch effort to give PG the benefit of a doubt... I don't know why I care to give them that benefit? With that said, there's very little doubt in my mind that i'm wrong.

Not to mention.... Im sure it pisses PG right off to keep bumping this thread to the top. Maybe I make it my mission every week to bump it right back up. LMAO...

To the top!

[DarkishM5C]

Just last week I was warning a member on the Facebook BMW F90 M5 Owners Group not to buy PG intakes. I even linked this threat for them to see. This guy named TJ that works for Pure Performance in Houston called us all clowns lol Isn't PG based off Houston?
Anyways, one of the intake options I was considering was PG, but after seeing this threat, it is no longer an option.

[MNoob]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

Because there's nothing to debunk. The forum and you did all the debunking.

Word. It's been debunked, and cannot be rebunked.

[boost3dx]

I shared this thread to a few of their sponsored ads on Facebook.

The owner messaged me to talk to me, I promptly blocked him.

Now they've removed the ability to comment on their advertisements.

Pathetic.

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by boost3dx

I shared this thread to a few of their sponsored ads on Facebook.

The owner messaged me to talk to me, I promptly blocked him.

Now they've removed the ability to comment on their advertisements.

Pathetic.

"I promptly blocked him."

A taste of his own medicine! 🖐️

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by MNoob

Word. It's been debunked, and cannot be rebunked.

So much bunking going on. It's like a bunk party it feels like!

You get a bunk, you get a bunk, you get a bunk! Everyone gets a bunk!

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

In case this couldn't get more comedic, this really is from PG's website:


"We wanted to bring innovation…not just up-charge like other brands for less options and lower quality."


"We have internal development…"

[EM5C]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

In case this couldn't get more comedic, this really is from PG's website:


"We wanted to bring innovation…not just up-charge like other brands for less options and lower quality."


"We have internal development…"

They are a joke. Good for the people who were pleased with their products/service. But PG should go belly up for all their sketchy antics. We have plenty of scammers in the classified section, don't need one with a website 😂

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by EM5C

They are a joke. Good for the people who were pleased with their products/service. But PG should go belly up for all their sketchy antics. We have plenty of scammers in the classified section, don't need one with a website 😂

Agree 100%! The more I look into it, the more egregious their entire operation is.

[will0621]

These threads remind me of how great old school forums like this are. It’s not like Facebook, Instagram, or google where companies can just delete or restrict comments, and the customer doesn’t get to see red flags. Even places like reddit promote echo chambers where you only see the most upvoted comments unless you know what you're doing. If we didn’t have fellow car enthusiasts being able to share their experiences in a neutral environment such as this, we would continue to buy from such deceiving companies.

[Littierally]

Originally Posted by DarkishM5C

Just last week I was warning a member on the Facebook BMW F90 M5 Owners Group not to buy PG intakes. I even linked this threat for them to see. This guy named TJ that works for Pure Performance in Houston called us all clowns lol Isn't PG based off Houston?
Anyways, one of the intake options I was considering was PG, but after seeing this threat, it is no longer an option.

It is well-known that TJ at PP is equal-to-or-bigger of a douche than Sam at PG. They’re probably best buddies.

Google TJ Talal Obeid Pure Performance. There’s a FB group dedicated to how much of a hack he is.

[DarkishM5C]

Originally Posted by Littierally

It is well-known that TJ at PP is equal-to-or-bigger of a douche than Sam at PG. They’re probably best buddies.

Google TJ Talal Obeid Pure Performance. There’s a FB group dedicated to how much of a hack he is.

Oh wow, I did not know that.

Edited: I looked him up. If he did the stuff mentioned in the FB group and reviews, TJ may be worse than Sam.

[H1R4]

You guys who are running PG's especially their filters may want to check your turbo turbines for damage. A lot of UK guys have had damage on the blades due to the filters on the PG

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by H1R4

You guys who are running PG's especially their filters may want to check your turbo turbines for damage. A lot of UK guys have had damage on the blades due to the filters on the PG

OUCH.....

That not good.... I can see it now in on the top floor of the Project Gamma corporate head quarters...

Serhat to his big corporate leadership team:
"Get our R&D director in here asap! We have a big problem on our hands"

RD Director (this guy doesn't exist BTW, nor does the headquarters):
"yes, i heard, Serhat, we could have a big issue on our... ummm, nevermind.... We can just blame BMW and their turbos for being too powerful, ya, thats it... the turbos, that'll work. No one will ever know... or just blame the customers who probably damaged the turbine blades of the several thousand dollar turbos on purpose! They all did it to get new $8.00 air filters on purpose, they're all against us, I knew it!"

Serhat:
"yes, I knew I hired you for a reason, seeeeee little wise one? this is why I never gave the one guy a new filter from the forum... Had I done that, I would have set a precedent that anyone and everyone just gets free filters whenever they want"

Serhat to the leadership team:
"Get the social media director in here ASAP!!! BLOCK EVERYONE!! NOW!!! HURRY! GO!, block block block block"

[EM5C]

Originally Posted by jnotrom711

OUCH.....

That not good.... I can see it now in on the top floor of the Project Gamma corporate head quarters...

Serhat to his big corporate leadership team:
"Get our R&D director in here asap! We have a big problem on our hands"

RD Director (this guy doesn't exist BTW, nor does the headquarters):
"yes, i heard, Serhat, we could have a big issue on our... ummm, nevermind.... We can just blame BMW and their turbos for being too powerful, ya, thats it... the turbos, that'll work. No one will ever know... or just blame the customers who probably damaged the turbine blades of the several thousand dollar turbos on purpose! They all did it to get new $8.00 air filters on purpose, they're all against us, I knew it!"

Serhat:
"yes, I knew I hired you for a reason, seeeeee little wise one? this is why I never gave the one guy a new filter from the forum... Had I done that, I would have set a precedent that anyone and everyone just gets free filters whenever they want"

Serhat to the leadership team:
"Get the social media director in here ASAP!!! BLOCK EVERYONE!! NOW!!! HURRY! GO!, block block block block"

I think PG memes need to happen 😂

[n33d4speed]

Saw this on FB. Probably same AliBabba supplier.

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by n33d4speed

Saw this on FB. Probably same AliBabba supplier.

No, thats the new prototype Project Gamma intake tube. Its new. I promise. Upgraded air filter housing, its shipping damage proof. So if any are damaged, they know for sure it wasn't them... It's really good. Good gains, awesome, really really strong air filter housing, and great customer service. G-Venturi, is the new branding.

Nothing to see here everyone, move along...

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by EM5C

I think PG memes need to happen 😂

Just think of all the money we all save on our $100,000-$140,000.00 cars by fleecing Project Gamma for free filters.

By my estimation, I can trash my turbo by throwing little particles in the intake tube (because there is NO way the PG filters could be defective, I know this, because Serhat told me they do R&D, duh), ill blame it on PG, and they'll send me a free filter or 2. If I do this at least 2-maybe 300 times, I'll have made my money back from trashing the turbo. I think... 🤔