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      03-25-2019, 08:36 PM   #23
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We can both claim the "other" races aspect. Do you know why? Because the results flip-flop back and forth. It isn't one video, it's many.

You have an M3, why the M5 hate? Too fast for ya? // I'm guessing that'll go down well.
No, no - not at all. I simply bask in the glory of all that’s new and impressive on the M5.

AWD! Oh wait, that’s not new.
Torque converter! Can’t remember when that came out, it’s so old.
TT-V8!! Oh, it’s that engine that about 10 years old now, right?



That’s not hate, those are facts. Many facts, to use your word.
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I think the F90 M5 Comp runs 10.8’s at almost 130 MPH. I know this because I ran 10.93 at 129.5 MPH (1.72 60’) on the crappy Pirelli’s. With even the PS4’s - I would pick up at least 5 hundredths on the 60’ and get into the 10.8’s - bone stock. I will prove that this season.

That said - I’m not saying my 16+ foot, four door, 4300+ lb, family, luxury GT car is unbeatable on the street lol. Just that it runs the above numbers.

That said, I have beaten a Dodge Demon with my car - twice - in a simulated street race - no prep, just like you would meet at the lights. I will also beat 9/10 Corvette C7Z06’s in a similar test - and about 95% of any stock RWD car. I say that being fortunate to own a 900 WHP C7Z. GM messed up big on the C7Z by the way. The F90 has been magazine tested quicker and faster than any stock GTR - including the NISMO. I say that being fortunate to own a 1600+ awhp GTR. I came within a tenth and 1 MPH same day same drags track of a 991.2 Turbo (not S). It would be close to if not hold a 991.1 Turbo S. And a 991.2 Turbo would beat it fairly handily to it being not a bad race depending on what it runs (10.5-10.7). And I say that being fortunate to own a 991.2 Turbo S.

So - no keyboard warrioring over here. Just the facts. The F90 platform is stout.


So in this simulated street race, i'm assuming you beat the demon from a dig because of traction playing an important roll for you.


You mention the z06 again, and I have a tough time believing an f90 is walking away from the c7, from a roll. As i said before, i hope to see a stock f90 roll racing next month.
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No, no - not at all. I simply bask in the glory of all that’s new and impressive on the M5.

AWD! Oh wait, that’s not new.
Torque converter! Can’t remember when that came out, it’s so old.
TT-V8!! Oh, it’s that engine that about 10 years old now, right?



That’s not hate, those are facts. Many facts, to use your word.
Congrats. //good to see you're paying attention as to who said "facts"... the irony is biblical!

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So in this simulated street race, i'm assuming you beat the demon from a dig because of traction playing an important roll for you.


You mention the z06 again, and I have a tough time believing an f90 is walking away from the c7, from a roll. As i said before, i hope to see a stock f90 roll racing next month.
A repeatable, reliable 0-60 on road surface occurs in under 3 seconds... every time. On prep'd, it's consistently under 2.8 seconds. That tends to yield a pretty good 60ft... then the torque pours on (as the videos show... note the plural). Drive one... or Google some more, the data's out there.

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A repeatable, reliable 0-60 on road surface occurs in under 3 seconds... eveyr time. On prep'd, it's consistently under 2.8 seconds. That tends to yield a pretty good 60ft... then the torque pours on (as the videos show... note the plural). Drive one... or Google some more, the data's out there.



not doubting the m5's ability from a dig, it should be fast. It's loaded with power and 4 wheels powering it out of the hole... thats self explanatory. I want to see it in some rolls. Thats all.

My fathers is due to arrive in a few months. I'd like to run one before hand.
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not doubting the m5's ability from a dig, it should be fast. It's loaded with power and 4 wheels powering it out of the hole... thats self explanatory. I want to see it in some rolls. Thats all.

My fathers is due to arrive in a few months. I'd like to run one before hand.
Yup, understood. F90s from a roll exist on YouTube... but they're few and far between. I've been without mine for so long now, I've no longer got fresh 'subjective" data to offer.

I'd love to hear what you think of your Dad's!
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So the M5 jumps the gun twice, goes into limp mode once, and wins one race?

I would take the Lamborghini 100 times out of 100.
My exact takeaway. I'm a bmw fan all day long, but that was hard to watch.
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Yup, understood. F90s from a roll exist on YouTube... but they're few and far between. I've been without mine for so long now, I've no longer got fresh 'subjective" data to offer.

I'd love to hear what you think of your Dad's!


yea man, can't wait! It's been so hyped up on here, so i'm very curious. Week 18 build.
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Surreal...that's all I have to say. For a boat/daily driver to outperform sports cars meant to only go really fast is just amazing. It's like flying to Paris on a 777 and beating an F-15
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We can both claim the "other" races aspect. Do you know why? Because the results flip-flop back and forth. It isn't one video, it's many, many, many... as you already know.

You have an M3, why the M5 hate? Too fast for ya? // I'm guessing that'll go down well.

PS: ... so that's a no then.
How is 3 out of 4 unfavorable results for the M5 "flip-flopping"? Does limp mode count more than once?

And this idea that a drag race represents the true value of an M is...priceless.
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So the M5 jumps the gun twice, goes into limp mode once, and wins one race?

I would take the Lamborghini 100 times out of 100.
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My exact takeaway. I'm a bmw fan all day long, but that was hard to watch.
Limp-mode? Granted... that's a WTF moment to me, too. If I experience it, I'll be posting similarly visceral commentary. Stay tuned.

That said, the M5 driver and the tree were apparently in different dimensions... but it doesn't matter. The clock records the e2e run time so who cares if the M5 driver is jumping the gun? The resulting times don't lie.
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No, no - not at all. I simply bask in the glory of all that’s new and impressive on the M5.

AWD! Oh wait, that’s not new.
Torque converter! Can’t remember when that came out, it’s so old.
TT-V8!! Oh, it’s that engine that about 10 years old now, right?



That’s not hate, those are facts. Many facts, to use your word.
The fact that you drive an M3 and are talking about a platform being old? I will link a Motortrend segment of the M3 Competition vs the Quadrifoglio where they talk about the M3 being 3 generations behind the current cars in its segment. So that was a poor way to make a point. That plus the fact the F90 out performs your M3 in every way - so if it so ancient and laughable - and it crushes your ride...

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So in this simulated street race, i'm assuming you beat the demon from a dig because of traction playing an important roll for you.


You mention the z06 again, and I have a tough time believing an f90 is walking away from the c7, from a roll. As i said before, i hope to see a stock f90 roll racing next month.
Considering we did a roll twice as well - against the 808 HP 717 lb ft car. And since the M5 CP already crushed it the reviewers chose the first race where the Demon won by half a car - versus the second race where it was dead even. And remember this a full length comparison video - I am not talking about an experience I had. The C7Z does not out trap a M5 CP in most cases and its aero, plus the terrible coefficient of drag of the C7 makes it a terrible roll car (which is why the C6 ZR1 beats the C7Z after 3rd gear in a roll). The C7Z was created for down force as it is a road course car first. A standard M5 would be a good race stock for stock - I still think top end the M5 would take it.

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not doubting the m5's ability from a dig, it should be fast. It's loaded with power and 4 wheels powering it out of the hole... thats self explanatory. I want to see it in some rolls. Thats all.

My fathers is due to arrive in a few months. I'd like to run one before hand.
See above. The C7Z stinks in a roll bone stock.

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My exact takeaway. I'm a bmw fan all day long, but that was hard to watch.
And I agree with that. I don't agree with the other "my car is cheaper and faster so your more expensive car sucks" arguments. Aventador owners don't rush off to buy a 7 second Civic after being beaten by one. That said - I am not saying I would buy a F90 over a Huracan - they are two completely different cars and wouldn't be compared directly anyway. What I am saying is that the F90 is an over-achiever in being able to do what it can - and yes I realize it's tuned. Huracans are tricky as modding them is a little more elaborate than a tune and bolt on setup for the M5 (and we all know what the Huracans are capable of modified). Again - the message is - the F90 platform is stout - especially for what it is.
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How is 3 out of 4 unfavorable results for the M5 "flip-flopping"? Does limp mode count more than once?
See my earlier post; no argument.

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And this idea that a drag race represents the true value of an M is...priceless.
Who said that? Wait! You did. It's one attribute to love which is why we (I don't include you in that, hopefully that's obvious) like to discuss it.

Stop with the emojis--nothing you've said is funny or amusing or lighthearted. Follow the conversation; contribute; provide a rebuttal (not emojis). It seems you're trying to make a point but, so far and to me at least, all you've done is come across as a troll. <-- that's another inappropriate, unnecessary, downright-weird, out-of-place emoji … $hit, and another.. I can't stop! <-- oh, that's relevant... my bad.

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Something is not right with that M5
I have half the mods and smoked two different 610hp huracan's from a standstill.
And I did 10.6 1/4 miles 134mph

With all those mods that M5 should have been very low 10's
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The fact that you drive an M3 and are talking about a platform being old? I will link a Motortrend segment of the M3 Competition vs the Quadrifoglio where they talk about the M3 being 3 generations behind the current cars in its segment. So that was a poor way to make a point. That plus the fact the F90 out performs your M3 in every way - so if it so ancient and laughable - and it crushes your ride...
What does my car have to do with it? Did I say anything that wasn't factually correct?

This is my biggest gripe with people on the forums - there is a general inability to see any comment, criticism or constructive feedback as just that...the M5, in any form, is not a perfect car. Neither is any M3...but the comparison to the M3 has nothing to do with the comments I have made in this thread.

Again, M has always been about a value perspective. it's the cheap, cheaky alternative to superior alternatives from Porsche, MB, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc....This value (aka, cheap) position is not typically one utilized for a superiority complex...rather, there are many, many other options that are much more impressive from that standpoint.
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Did I say anything that wasn't factually correct?
Yes. 1) You repeatedly cited your opinion. 2) You cite one example and conclude it's evidence of a pattern.
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Something is not right with that M5
I have half the mods and smoked two different 610hp huracan's from a standstill.
And I did 10.6 1/4 miles 134mph

With all those mods that M5 should have been very low 10's
Nod, I'm kinda with you. This is a 'Brooks from Dragtimes' video, right... so I assume it's PBIR. Could be temp, DA, crap fuel.
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What does my car have to do with it? Did I say anything that wasn't factually correct?

This is my biggest gripe with people on the forums - there is a general inability to see any comment, criticism or constructive feedback as just that...the M5, in any form, is not a perfect car. Neither is any M3...but the comparison to the M3 has nothing to do with the comments I have made in this thread.

Again, M has always been about a value perspective. it's the cheap, cheaky alternative to superior alternatives from Porsche, MB, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc....This value (aka, cheap) position is not typically one utilized for a superiority complex...rather, there are many, many other options that are much more impressive from that standpoint.
I'm sorry I have made you feel sad about your car. Because asking me why I am bringing up your car was explained by me quite clearly. You used an "old technology" argument and talked about how that applied to the F90. This was chock full of irony as your platform is trashed in the media for being just that - more so that the F90 - which is why I put the mirror up and you didn't like what you saw. Pretty straight forward. Plus the ZF trans is seen as one of the best transmissions out right now and is used in the Aston, Demon and many other cars. The V8 TT comment was dumb - especially as you have a V6 TT. I'm not sure if I missed anything I will have to re-read your post.

M is "Cheap and Cheeky?" You should put down the internet now. That is your opinion - you don't define what M is lol. The last rambling part of your paragraph...please do explain.
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See my earlier post; no argument.

Who said that? Wait! You did. It's one attribute to love which is why we (I don't include you in that, hopefully that's obvious) like to discuss it.

Stop with the emojis--nothing you've said is funny or amusing or lighthearted. Follow the conversation; contribute; provide a rebuttal (not emojis). It seems you're trying to make a point but, so far and to me at least, all you've done is come across as a troll. <-- that's another inappropriate, unnecessary, downright-weird, out-of-place emoji … $hit, and another.. I can't stop! <-- oh, that's relevant... my bad.
Ahhhh, yes....troll...the go-to word for someone who doesn't have the ability to understand that their respective (fill in the blank, M5 here) isn't perfect.

You, on the other hand, come off as defensive of a car that doesn't appear to be yours and petty. See how that works? Maybe you imagine that because a tuned M5 (that produces limp mode, no less) can produce a drag strip victory against a more desirable car (at least, I would guess) in the average enthusiast's mind is, well, priceless....
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Yes. 1) You repeatedly cited your opinion. 2) You cite one example and conclude it's evidence of a pattern.
This video is the topic of the thread, no?

Reasonable to cite it?
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Ahhhh, yes....troll...the go-to word for someone who doesn't have the ability to understand that their respective (fill in the blank, M5 here) isn't perfect.

You, on the other hand, come off as defensive of a car that doesn't appear to be yours and petty. See how that works? Maybe you imagine that because a tuned M5 (that produces limp mode, no less) can produce a drag strip victory against a more desirable car (at least, I would guess) in the average enthusiast's mind is, well, priceless....
Huh, not mine? I have one... you don't. <-- This is where emojis are appropriate. The rest of what you say (and I can't imagine how much drivel you've contributed in over 9,000 posts but the amount itself is impressive... unlike the content) is irrelevant since I.. well, I do have one.

You win... you've confused me into submission. Congrats (again)… time for another inappropriate emoji?

Too much?

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I'm sorry I have made you feel sad about your car. Because asking me why I am bringing up your car was explained by me quite clearly. You used an "old technology" argument and talked about how that applied to the F90. This was chock full of irony as your platform is trashed in the media for being just that - more so that the F90 - which is why I put the mirror up and you didn't like what you saw. Pretty straight forward. Plus the ZF trans is seen as one of the best transmissions out right now and is used in the Aston, Demon and many other cars. The V8 TT comment was dumb - especially as you have a V6 TT. I'm not sure if I missed anything I will have to re-read your post.

M is "Cheap and Cheeky?" You should put down the internet now. That is your opinion - you don't define what M is lol. The last rambling part of your paragraph...please do explain.
I don't feel badly about my car - my experience with the F80 has been full of the "love-hate" relationship type. It's good in some respects, and poor in others. Again, no bearing on my viewpoints related to the M5.

And yes, M has traditionally represented a value-based argument to a comparable Porsche, for example. Just because one is expensive now doesn't mean that perspective has actually changed .
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