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The problem here is:
We're dealing with such a good starting point. The straight M5, optioned out really well for mine in 2018 was $110,000 To put that in perspective, I have a sedan with four doors, that I can take on vacation, that lays down the exact same times at VIR for me as my 2009 GT-R that was tuned. Not long ago, that was basically unimaginable. Take the 2022 M5 CS back to 2009, and it's a world beater, and a steal at the price it is listed at. The F90 M5 is just such a great car. Is the CS that much better? I'll give you my vote. My order is in. I think my allocation will be produced in the later part of the year rather than July, but I'm hoping I get it earlier. I have a track weekend at VIR in November, and I'd love to ride this beast at WOT down the back straightaway. My 2018 makes 160mph. Only the almighty knows what this one will do.... Shawn |
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As far as M5 CS, seems like overkill for a big fat sedan. But it's an amazing car and I'm sure there's a market for it. |
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Ps. Isn't it absurd to see folks questioning the valiidty of the M5 CS relative to their M5C. Have they not heard of the M2CS and the M2C.
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That's my situation too. One of my car requirements while nesting is that the whole fam has to fit in the fun car. If there was a way to get a CS with a regular bench I would have been on it.
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I don't criticize anyone who enjoys their OG M2 and M2C either, makes total sense as i owned one of them for 3 years. But no one should drive an M4C, M2C or M5C and assume they know how the corresponding CS model drives just based on deductive reasoning. And there are far too many people on these boards speaking authoritatively on that without having driven them (Even posters saying that reviews by auto journalists and owners can't possibly be realistic, also without having driven the cars themselves.) |
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06-09-2021, 06:17 PM | #36 | |
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but I can understand spending that much, the CS machines have an intangible 'something' related to performance that makes it worth it, somehow. Last edited by Ilikemike; 06-09-2021 at 06:27 PM.. |
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That price difference would have made me think twice. In the US, we are lucky in this aspect (unlucky in others) |
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06-09-2021, 08:18 PM | #38 | ||
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I'm still skeptical about the M5 CS vs. the Comp. While the price increment in the US is not all that great when comparing similarly equipped cars, the performance differences seem suspect.
First, all these reviews keep talking about the revised suspension on the CS. But from every review I have read, its sounds like exactly the same revisions that the LCI Comp received. Same amount of drop, same revisions from the M8, etc. The increase in HP appears to be a simple matter of raising the red-line a few hundred RPM since the torque spec has not changed. This is unlikely to have much impact in the real world, particularly since the increase is about 1.5%. Finally, the reduced weight of the CS is primarily from 3 things, the carbon brakes (which can be equipped on the regular and Comp M5), the carbon hood (probably only saves 10 to 30 pounds), and the carbon seats (likely saves 100 lbs. but at the expense of only two seats in the back and no massage in the front). So far, the performance difference between the older non-LCI M5 Comp and the M5 CS is 7 seconds on the 'ring and that is with the CS on track tires versus the Comp on street tires. Before declaring the CS a far superior track tool, I would like to see an updated 'ring time for the LCI Comp (given its new and improved suspension), particularly if it could be run with the same track tires as used by the CS. Let's face it, track tires alone could easily provide a 7 second reduction in 'ring time over the course of 7+ minutes. Finally, while I love my 2021 M5 Comp, I have to point out that both the AMG GT 63s and the new Porsche Panamera Turbo S are at least 7 to 8 seconds faster on the 'ring than the M5 CS. While both of these cars cost $50K+ more than the M5 CS, they are likely objectively better on track. Part of the reason is that both of those competitors include rear wheel steering. Sadly, BMW opted not to include this on the M5. |
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Just wait for a M5CS LCI 🤣
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I bought my CS as a daily driver since it’s reportedly comfier than the standard car.....comfier yet sportier. Broader in capabilities (to what extent is unknown) yet similar in purpose at a slight numerical expense which I think is inconsequential (at least here in the US) |
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While I don't have a link supporting my statement that the CS was on Corsa tires, my understanding is that published 'ring times are for cars in stock form, including tires, unless otherwise specified. My understanding is that the CS comes with Corsa tires as stock. In any case, while I am sure the CS is a fine car and has some level of exclusivity over and above a base or comp M5, I am not convinced that it is actually faster on track. As for comparing the CS to the AMG and the Porsche, those were driven by factory drivers, but Christian Gebhardt is no slouch. Based on reports from fastestlaps.com, it appears he is consistently within 2 to 5 seconds of factory drivers with Porsche and AMG cars. 7 to 8 seconds is quite a bit to make up with just a different driver. We shall see when BMW's factory driver hits the 'ring. It is a bit odd that BMW has not yet published a 'ring time with its own driver. Last edited by irablumberg; 06-09-2021 at 10:54 PM.. |
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