[Fegelein]

Originally Posted by Quinn A

It feels much quicker to respond, more tossable, despite being so much taller with the 4 wheel torque vectoring and other porsche suspension goodies it drives like a much smaller car.

In comfort mode it is actually comfort not a sport light like M cars. And it doesnt sacrifice any feel in having an actual comfort setting. It drives a lot more like a sports car then the M8 does, maybe not in speed but in feel.

Well said! A friend who had a Macan GTS expressed the same thing. He just couldn't believe he was driving a suv and he's a very well versed P-car guy like me, Ferrari, Mclaren and the likes. That's what separates Porsche from the likes of BMW / MB and Audi, and makes them the next level up. That's why at the $1,600+ lease level (per my deal, which is 6% of MSRP), w/ taxes and fees up front, you don't consider a Beemer. How do you know this though about the GTS, was it research or do / did you have one?

In addition to the real wheel steering, I added the special headlights as well. http://www.porsche-code.com/PMC5MV25

[daddymalu]

Easy to get $20k of m8 now. They are not selling not selling well.

[Quinn A]

Originally Posted by Fegelein

Well said! A friend who had a Macan GTS expressed the same thing. He just couldn't believe he was driving a suv and he's a very well versed P-car guy like me, Ferrari, Mclaren and the likes. That's what separates Porsche from the likes of BMW / MB and Audi, and makes them the next level up. That's why at the $1,600+ lease level (per my deal, which is 6% of MSRP), w/ taxes and fees up front, you don't consider a Beemer. How do you know this though about the GTS, was it research or do / did you have one?

In addition to the real wheel steering, I added the special headlights as well. http://www.porsche-code.com/PMC5MV25

I ordered a cayenne GTS coupe after driving a buddies cayenne GTS coupe. If i was blindfolded i would guess the SUV was the sports car, Porsche is so far and above the other german brands they are worth the premium.

I noticed you got the lightweight package, i wanted that but they wouldnt let me keep a nice interior with it so had to forgo it sadly.

Mine is coming june as of right now, cant wait.
https://www.porsche.com/microsite/po...px?c=/PMMF2UN7

[Fegelein]

Originally Posted by Quinn A

I ordered a cayenne GTS coupe after driving a buddies cayenne GTS coupe. If i was blindfolded i would guess the SUV was the sports car, Porsche is so far and above the other german brands they are worth the premium.

I noticed you got the lightweight package, i wanted that but they wouldnt let me keep a nice interior with it so had to forgo it sadly.

Mine is coming june as of right now, cant wait.
https://www.porsche.com/microsite/po...px?c=/PMMF2UN7

Nice, same here. My dealer pulled an allocation spot in one week, so it's a May build. I actually love the hounds tooth interior, that comes w/ the Lt Wt package. It's a 70s throw back as well. You can't switch it out, because the cloth inserts are lighter and the elimination of the rear middle seat, further lightens up the interior.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Fegelein

I could never go electrical, especially coming out of this monster!!
M8 looks like a Mustang. I love Mustangs, but not going to spend over $150k+ for a look alike, no matter what. I priced up a M8 GC comp and the lease rate is nuts and that's with a good discount. I love BMWs and especially M, but I think BMW made a mistake w/ the 8, in that they are now in the $ territory, where people will question is a BMW really worth that. I think when you are up in that range, you go beyond a BMW and level up to Porsche. Just my humble opinion...

Hmmm, could you post a picture of a Mustang that looks like the pics below. Of course, looks are subjective since it's about personal taste—to each their own. I do agree, though, base 2-door models have a kinda-sorta similar silhouette but it's still very much kinda-sorta.

As for the lease rate comparison between Porsche and BMW—get the f#ck out of here—you're funny; good one. :

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by daddymalu

Easy to get $20k of m8 now. They are not selling not selling well.

So the double negative means they are selling well... or you're just really, really certain? :

[daddymalu]

Sorry meant not selling well....

[e92hunter]

Yeah the Cayeanne GTS is likely $1000 more per month to lease than the M8. Even Audi seems to have inflated lease rates, an RS7 was quoted at $2800 LOL.

[Quinn A]

Originally Posted by e92hunter

Yeah the Cayeanne GTS is likely $1000 more per month to lease than the M8. Even Audi seems to have inflated lease rates, an RS7 was quoted at $2800 LOL.

The cayenne GTS i was quoted $1900 more a month to lease then my M8, almost identical MSRP, so i purchased it.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Quinn A

The cayenne GTS i was quoted $1900 more a month to lease then my M8, almost identical MSRP, so i purchased it.

Sheesh. I don't understand VW Group's leasing strategy. You could argue it pushes folks to buy—instead of lease—resulting perhaps in a harder brand lock than leasing but all they did was piss me off and lose me. I'm sure I'm not unique in this respect. They could have both but, alas...

What was the MSRP out of interest?

[AHall]

Wow that lease premium is crazy. I would have thought the lease of Porsche would have higher residuals and lower lease payments than BMW.

[Quinn A]

Originally Posted by limeypride

Sheesh. I don't understand VW Group's leasing strategy. You could argue it pushes folks to buy—instead of lease—resulting perhaps in a harder brand lock than leasing but all they did was piss me off and lose me. I'm sure I'm not unique in this respect. They could have both but, alas...

What was the MSRP out of interest?

$134k for the cayenne.

Ive purchased all of my previous porsches, its not much of an issue with how much better they hold their values, ive gotten lucky more then once buying new and selling a year or two later for slightly over what i paid.

[e92hunter]

Quinn is a baller and can likely just eat any depreciation and tax on a new car finance and can flip it whenever he wants. Must be nice to have that flexibility! Would you guys say that BMW overprices their cars and that's why the lease rates are so low? Depreciation seems very steep for majority of BMWs whereas Porsche GT models or high demand models like the Cayeanne GTS hold their value strongly during the initial 3 year depreciation. I love my '21 M5 but can't see where I would jump to for a similar price range after the lease ends.

[AHall]

Originally Posted by e92hunter

Quinn is a baller and can likely just eat any depreciation and tax on a new car finance and can flip it whenever he wants. Must be nice to have that flexibility! Would you guys say that BMW overprices their cars and that's why the lease rates are so low? Depreciation seems very steep for majority of BMWs whereas Porsche GT models or high demand models like the Cayeanne GTS hold their value strongly during the initial 3 year depreciation. I love my '21 M5 but can't see where I would jump to for a similar price range after the lease ends.

There are several competitors to the M5. You may prefer the M5, but there are competitors. MB E63, Audi RS6 or RS7, some consider Panamera but I think this is a S Class competitor immediately come to mind. Seems like people cross ship this car with everything so lots of choices.

People are buying a used 1-2 year old Porsche for more than a new car? :

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Quinn A

$134k for the cayenne.

Ive purchased all of my previous porsches, its not much of an issue with how much better they hold their values, ive gotten lucky more then once buying new and selling a year or two later for slightly over what i paid.

... even more absurd then, sigh.

Thanks for the info.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by e92hunter

Quinn is a baller and can likely just eat any depreciation and tax on a new car finance and can flip it whenever he wants. Must be nice to have that flexibility! Would you guys say that BMW overprices their cars and that's why the lease rates are so low? Depreciation seems very steep for majority of BMWs whereas Porsche GT models or high demand models like the Cayeanne GTS hold their value strongly during the initial 3 year depreciation. I love my '21 M5 but can't see where I would jump to for a similar price range after the lease ends.

I don't speak American so I've no idea why 'Quinn is a baller' or what that even means.

I think every vendor prices their cars based on what customers will pay... not some more practical valuation of the car's worth. I'm happy to pay what BMW ask because I enjoy--nay, love--the product and especially the M8.

I agree with your assessment on the 21 M5--other than an M8 GC, there's nothing else to me.

PS: I test drove the 2021 RS7 and, regardless of price, it doesn't compete.

[e92hunter]

Originally Posted by limeypride

I don't speak American so I've no idea why 'Quinn is a baller' or what that even means.

I think every vendor prices their cars based on what customers will pay... not some more practical valuation of the car's worth. I'm happy to pay what BMW ask because I enjoy--nay, love--the product and especially the M8.

I agree with your assessment on the 21 M5--other than an M8 GC, there's nothing else to me.

PS: I test drove the 2021 RS7 and, regardless of price, it doesn't compete.

Sorry for the slang M8, baller = very rich.

I too LOVE the product and am extremely happy with my car besides the peeling paint on the hood...yes that's right there is 2-3" inches of paint literally curling and peeling on my hood! Looks like someone used a cheese slicer to curl the paint. I have barely 2k miles on it and the dealer said I have to have an executive come take a look at it before it's approved and could take some time. Still love the car and will take it in when I have time.

[Neptune7]

Porsche leases are bad because of their residual limits and bad money factors. I decided to go the buy route for that reason.

[Quinn A]

Originally Posted by AHall

People are buying a used 1-2 year old Porsche for more than a new car? :

991.2 GT cars are selling for $30-$50k over MSRP right now.

[AHall]

Originally Posted by Quinn A

991.2 GT cars are selling for $30-$50k over MSRP right now.

Nice

[Fegelein]

Originally Posted by limeypride

Hmmm, could you post a picture of a Mustang that looks like the pics below. Of course, looks are subjective since it's about personal taste—to each their own. I do agree, though, base 2-door models have a kinda-sorta similar silhouette but it's still very much kinda-sorta.

As for the lease rate comparison between Porsche and BMW—get the f#ck out of here—you're funny; good one. :

Not following your lease rate comment, but the M8 coupe is notorious for looking like a Stang.

[Fegelein]

Originally Posted by e92hunter

Yeah the Cayeanne GTS is likely $1000 more per month to lease than the M8. Even Audi seems to have inflated lease rates, an RS7 was quoted at $2800 LOL.

Nooooooooooooo, it's less!!!!