[AKRAPOVICOWNS]

Originally Posted by Kaisuke971

It also has 335mm semi slicks at the back. Same story for the 812 and the Viper, the rear tyres are super wide and super sticky. Can't put that on a sedan not only because they don't fit unless you put massively wide rear arches, but also because the usability takes a big hit. BMW M executives said that they thought about that but AWD was the better solution for the customers.

Plus, those cars are built from the ground up as sports cars. Aero, weight, everything was done with this purpose. The 5 series/E is just a normal sedan tweaked as much as possible by M/AMG. They are limited in many aspects. Its impressive enough they can perform this way given what they are actually built for.

[MRV99]

Originally Posted by AKRAPOVICOWNS

Plus, those cars are built from the ground up as sports cars. Aero, weight, everything was done with this purpose. The 5 series/E is just a normal sedan tweaked as much as possible by M/AMG. They are limited in many aspects. Its impressive enough they can perform this way given what they are actually built for.

Just like when I raced my buddy in his corvette in my E90m3. He beat me by 1 car length. He was all giddy that he beat an M3. I burst his bubble by explained to him his corvette which is a 2 seater sports car just barely beat a 4 door car which can take a family of 4 on a road trip and still keep up with him.

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by YXEM5

Soooooo am I the only one that thinks being one tenth of a second faster in the quarter and the 0-60 means absolutely nothing?

They might as well stop with the all these strait line comparisons. In the real world there is no difference that can be felt. It will be styling, feel and character that differentiate these two cars. And those are completely subjective. They are both beautiful cars that do exactly what they are supposed too.

Congrats to BMW though, their d!ck is officially one tenth longer!?

i think you're right here and the takeaway should be that the new m5 and e63 are on par and it really comes down to preference.

however let's not forget this the m5 vs. e63 "S". technically a fair review would be m5 cp vs. e63 s if you really want to be fair so having said that the m5 is holding its ground very very well if you ask me.

[MiamiFan13]

why didn't he make a legit attempt do see what RWD time could be acheived? why bother if all you are you going to do is make no effort to "drive" the car. I'd be more impressed to watch someone with some driving skills get as close to the "computer's" time as possible.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by ksa

What a beast. Wish they had updated the interior more as I feel the Benz's are light years ahead in the interior department these days.

You really think its that much better? Man ive never liked the interiors of the mercedes, they're nice but in this case i like the m5 better than the merc e63 amg

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by YXEM5

Soooooo am I the only one that thinks being one tenth of a second faster in the quarter and the 0-60 means absolutely nothing?

They might as well stop with the all these strait line comparisons. In the real world there is no difference that can be felt. It will be styling, feel and character that differentiate these two cars. And those are completely subjective. They are both beautiful cars that do exactly what they are supposed too.

Congrats to BMW though, their d!ck is officially one tenth longer!?

Uh-oh MB fanboy alert

[YXEM5]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Uh-oh MB fanboy alert

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Uh-oh MB fanboy alert

Haha funny you say that.

Oddly enough I've never owned an MB. I would probably pick the E63S over the F90 though. But mostly because my current the F10M5 doesn't differ enough to make me want the new one. Like I said, both are beautiful cars that do what they are supposed too. It's all subjective, just wanted to point out the performance is so close it probably isn't the deciding factor when choosing between the two.

[ORIGIN M.]

He drives okay to me but he laughs like an annoying little girl.

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by tommytexter

How can Maclaren 720s, dodge demon, ferrari 488gtb, all have more hp than M5, all have rwd only, but all faster than M5 in both 0 to 60 and quarter mile????

Power to weight ratio, tire compound, gearing etc.

[Eddien123]

Originally Posted by tommytexter

How can Maclaren 720s, dodge demon, ferrari 488gtb, all have more hp than M5, all have rwd only, but all faster than M5 in both 0 to 60 and quarter mile????

Weight less. Have huge rear tires. Engine is in a totally different spot. More aggressive transmission. Less drag coefficient.

[josec70]

Originally Posted by YXEM5

Haha funny you say that.

Oddly enough I've never owned an MB. I would probably pick the E63S over the F90 though. But mostly because my current the F10M5 doesn't differ enough to make me want the new one. Like I said, both are beautiful cars that do what they are supposed too. It's all subjective, just wanted to point out the performance is so close it probably isn't the deciding factor when choosing between the two.

Completely agree.

I recently test drove the E63S and while it was certainly impressive performance wise I wasn’t blown away with the style / design. I love my F10 M5 and will more than likely go the F90 M5 route based on design as performance, like you mentioned, is a wash.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by YXEM5

Soooooo am I the only one that thinks being one tenth of a second faster in the quarter and the 0-60 means absolutely nothing?

They might as well stop with the all these strait line comparisons. In the real world there is no difference that can be felt. It will be styling, feel and character that differentiate these two cars. And those are completely subjective. They are both beautiful cars that do exactly what they are supposed too.

Congrats to BMW though, their d!ck is officially one tenth longer!?

Especially important for forum wars..

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Eddien123

(A) Weight less. (B) Have huge rear tires. (C) Engine is in a totally different spot. (D) More aggressive transmission. (E) Less drag coefficient.

F. All of the above.

[Loft23]

Originally Posted by stvding

Demon not faster? Man...it is the fastest production car for quarter mile....0-60 in 2.3s, 1/4 mile 9.65s

What about c7 vette z06? I believe it has 650/650 in both hp and torque. Front engine Rear wheel drive. Under 3s for 0-60

My friend has the Z06 and they have 335 tires in the rear, the slickest you can get street legal. Lower center of gravity, better aerodynamics, and is a much lighter. The Demon is just brute force with near racing slicks, something you can't do on an executive sedan.

My 991.2 Carrera S, with only 420hp and 369lb-ft of torque, does 0-60 in 3.1s as tested by Motortrend, because it only weighs 3100lb, the engine is over the rear-wheel where it needs traction, and standard rear tires are 305 Pirelli P Zeros. All that paired with one of the best DCT transmission and software in the business.

0-60 times and quarter miles is irrelevant in everyday driving unless this is how you drive.

[hybrid_eg]

Originally Posted by YXEM5

Haha funny you say that.

Oddly enough I've never owned an MB. I would probably pick the E63S over the F90 though. But mostly because my current the F10M5 doesn't differ enough to make me want the new one. Like I said, both are beautiful cars that do what they are supposed too. It's all subjective, just wanted to point out the performance is so close it probably isn't the deciding factor when choosing between the two.

Totally agree!! Despite comparable performance, this car is not much different than the current F10.. besides the obvious upgrades BMW had to do in order to keep up with rest of the competition.. i love my F10 but for starters it would be nice if one didn't have to buy an aftermarket exhaust to even remotely get close to benz oem exhaust note..

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by hybrid_eg

Totally agree!! Despite comparable performance, this car is not much different than the current F10.. besides the obvious upgrades BMW had to do in order to keep up with rest of the competition.. i love my F10 but for starters it would be nice if one didn't have to buy an aftermarket exhaust to even remotely get close to benz oem exhaust note..

i used to feel the same about the exhaust note, but you have to realize you have to chose what fits YOU best.

getting an M throw out exhaust note or know you'll need some type of modification. getting an AMG well expect to burn some rubber and if you care about 0-60 times you'll be golden.

f90 vs. e63s has really narrowed down those options and it truly does come down to personal preference now. competition is great imo because for the first time in my life i will be looking elsewhere for my next lease. someone somewhere is doing their job right for once and it's not bmw

[drgmt]

Originally Posted by ksa

What a beast. Wish they had updated the interior more as I feel the Benz's are light years ahead in the interior department these days.

It may look that way - but the quality in the Benz is not there - although it may look better.

The C63S has terrible interior build quality compared to my M3.

[drgmt]

It's not a fair comparison an E63S vs a base M5. It would be better to compare an M5 competition vs the E63S.

I can't wait to own an M5 competition pack in the next couple of years once I've had enough of the M3 (which I love). BMW has nailed it with this car.

The rear of the E63 just looks terrible - exactly like a C class. The rear styling of the F80 and the previous and current generation M5 is near perfect imo. The only thing the M5 misses out on is slightly flared rear wheel arches which would give it a more aggressive look but I suppose that's not the target audience

[Game]

Originally Posted by YXEM5

Soooooo am I the only one that thinks being one tenth of a second faster in the quarter and the 0-60 means absolutely nothing?

They might as well stop with the all these strait line comparisons. In the real world there is no difference that can be felt. It will be styling, feel and character that differentiate these two cars. And those are completely subjective. They are both beautiful cars that do exactly what they are supposed too.

Congrats to BMW though, their d!ck is officially one tenth longer!?

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Uh-oh MB fanboy alert

The guy literally gave ZERO edge to the Benz and he's a fanboy?

If anything, you sound like a BMW fanboy for being offended by that.

[dcbigbaps]

I am going to see which car feels quicker, my 570GT or the M5 once I take delivery. But these are two completely different sets of cars as stated above. 0-60 numbers don't mean much. My 570 has a listed 0-60 of 3.4 but people have been getting sub 3 seconds with it in launch mode. But, how often are we launching these cars? I would say highway passing speed and low end torque means much more.

The few millisecond differences in 0-60 mean nothing.

Also, I am sure some people here drive around over 5-6k revs on a daily basis, but I would really piss off the neighbors if I did that .

[amw896]

Originally Posted by tommytexter

How can Maclaren 720s, dodge demon, ferrari 488gtb, all have more hp than M5, all have rwd only, but all faster than M5 in both 0 to 60 and quarter mile????

Proper engineering vs marketing solution of slapping on awd.

[TheRealOrosie]

Originally Posted by amw896

Proper engineering vs marketing solution of slapping on awd.

Really?