[Moserkm]

Just committed to the 2023 M5C. Called the dealer and put a deposit down on the first 2023 allocation. Was told the orders open in June, get built in August, and delivered in September/October. I was sick of stressing over finding a ‘22 so just bit the bullet and decided to wait a few extra months to get exactly what I want. Now we wait. That’s going to be tough.

[mjr24]

Would have waited....new 5 series is coming in 2024. Definitely wouldn't be paying full price for something that will be an old body style in 15 months.

[Day Laborer]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Would have waited....new 5 series is coming in 2024. Definitely wouldn't be paying full price for something that will be an old body style in 15 months.

No M5 in 2023, 2024 M5 will be hybrid

[Greer]

To OP:

Did you get confirmation from BMW of North America that there will be a 2023 M5? I would not trust everything you hear from your local dealer.

[micvite]

Originally Posted by Greer

To OP:

Did you get confirmation from BMW of North America that there will be a 2023 M5? I would not trust everything you hear from your local dealer.

Per bmw: we can't say shit about upcoming products blah blah blah.

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by Day Laborer

No M5 in 2023, 2024 M5 will be hybrid

No....2023 is still the F90 LCI.
The new 2024 5 series will be the next model (production starts spring of 2023)....and the M5 never comes out the first year of the new base model. Thus, it will be a 2025 M5....I assume we see that here starting in early 2025.

[bruza]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Would have waited....new 5 series is coming in 2024. Definitely wouldn't be paying full price for something that will be an old body style in 15 months.

To each his/ her own but I also plan to order a ‘23 F90 before they flip to hybrid. The old body style bothers me much less than the desire of a full individual build last of an icon.

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by bruza

To each his/ her own but I also plan to order a '23 F90 before they flip to hybrid. The old body style bothers me much less than the desire of a full individual build last of an icon.

I'd at least wait until you can get some sort of discount due to outgoing model….especially in this economic climate for cars.

[nerdogray]

I planned on getting an M5 right before the flip myself, but with the way things are going, I am feeling it's just going to be a continued limp (no Bowers, shopbmwusa.com being a complete shitshow, etc.) with the ICE M5 going out with a whimper, drowned out by the fanfare of the hybrid. I've said it before, the M-line should just be retired. BMW is so set on being hip and woke, just let the M series die. BMW should invent a new, 27th letter of the alphabet and use it for the new hybrid and EV line. Maybe it can be written like a pound sign but with an extra hash, resembling a grille.

[Moserkm]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Would have waited....new 5 series is coming in 2024. Definitely wouldn't be paying full price for something that will be an old body style in 15 months.

See, I’m thinking that’s a good time to get it. The 2023 may be the last ICE M5 made….ever. That’ll probably keep the value up especially if the details of the new hybrid don’t come out until halfway through the MY.

Additionally, my deposit is refundable at any time and that’s in writing.

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by Moserkm

See, I’m thinking that’s a good time to get it. The 2023 may be the last ICE M5 made….ever. That’ll probably keep the value up especially if the details of the new hybrid don’t come out until halfway through the MY.

Additionally, my deposit is refundable at any time and that’s in writing.

Eh, disagree.....you and I might hate hybrids....but you know how the masses are, they want the latest and greatest. I don't know that it will really hold any more value.

I had a E64 M6 V10 back in 2008....I don't think those values kept at all once they went to the V8 2013/2014 M6 or whenever that changed.

That being said, you said you probably won't take delivery until the fall....so you may have more power at that time depending on where the car economy is.

LCI is definitely a great car, though! I really wanted to lease the LCI when my pre-LCI lease was up in December but I couldn't wait 6 months for one to arrive (and didn't want an old model for half of a new lease) so I ended up with the X5M.

[Moserkm]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Eh, disagree.....you and I might hate hybrids....but you know how the masses are, they want the latest and greatest. I don't know that it will really hold any more value.

I had a E64 M6 V10 back in 2008....I don't think those values kept at all once they went to the V8 2013/2014 M6 or whenever that changed.

That being said, you said you probably won't take delivery until the fall....so you may have more power at that time depending on where the car economy is.

LCI is definitely a great car, though! I really wanted to lease the LCI when my pre-LCI lease was up in December but I couldn't wait 6 months for one to arrive (and didn't want an old model for half of a new lease) so I ended up with the X5M.

In the end, it doesn’t really matter to me. The depreciation factor is something to keep in mind, but may never be a factor if I never get rid of it. I almost went the X5M route too but the only thing that stopped me was the little extra performance edge. I’ve been in SUVs and full sized trucks for 20 years. It’ll be interesting to see how I get along in a sedan again.

[micvite]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Eh, disagree.....you and I might hate hybrids....but you know how the masses are, they want the latest and greatest. I don't know that it will really hold any more value.

I had a E64 M6 V10 back in 2008....I don't think those values kept at all once they went to the V8 2013/2014 M6 or whenever that changed.

That being said, you said you probably won't take delivery until the fall....so you may have more power at that time depending on where the car economy is.

LCI is definitely a great car, though! I really wanted to lease the LCI when my pre-LCI lease was up in December but I couldn't wait 6 months for one to arrive (and didn't want an old model for half of a new lease) so I ended up with the X5M.

That's because the v10 was a nightmare compared to the new m5 which was better in every way, I mean now good condition v10s are going for quite a pretty penny, even more than the f10s are in same condition and mileage. But a late model f10 with low miles can be more desirable than an f90 simply because of the auto trans vs the dct for some purists or the manual versions which will never appear in the future. So there's a case to be had that it will retain some value or go up eventually, especially if the hybrids turn out to be rubbish... it's why I'm hesitant to buy an i4, I know I'll want the i5m or whatever later and idk if I'm gonna have any resale value on the i4 once the new Klass comes out

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by Moserkm

See, I’m thinking that’s a good time to get it. The 2023 may be the last ICE M5 made….ever. That’ll probably keep the value up especially if the details of the new hybrid don’t come out until halfway through the MY.

Add the 2024 M550 to that list as well. It seems the entire 5 series will be going Hybrid, which means eventually, full electric.

[Moserkm]

Alright. So things changed again. I got offered an allocation for a 2022 and put my order in today. I’m official now, have a build order, and expected to be status 112 within the next week. Fully loaded MBB with black interior, black wheels and blue calipers. They are going to try pulling strings to get me the B&W. I also got the carbon fiber mirror caps and the side skirts. Was told 90-120 days from now. Clock is ticking!

[micvite]

Originally Posted by Moserkm

Alright. So things changed again. I got offered an allocation for a 2022 and put my order in today. I’m official now, have a build order, and expected to be status 112 within the next week. Fully loaded MBB with black interior, black wheels and blue calipers. They are going to try pulling strings to get me the B&W. I also got the carbon fiber mirror caps and the side skirts. Was told 90-120 days from now. Clock is ticking!

I'd take what you cab get at this point... bmw is halting all production starting next week due to supply chain disruptions and material shortages from the war

[Moserkm]

Originally Posted by micvite

I'd take what you cab get at this point... bmw is halting all production starting next week due to supply chain disruptions and material shortages from the war

When you say halting production I’m guessing that means all production and not necessarily new order production. That means chances are, since mine is 111 still, mine will be delayed. Ugh. Gotta keep the bigger picture in mind. This war is a much bigger deal than my car.

[JM71]

Nearly all electrical harnesses used by German auto manufacturers are made in the Ukraine. Ugh

[e92hunter]

Originally Posted by micvite

That's because the v10 was a nightmare compared to the new m5 which was better in every way, I mean now good condition v10s are going for quite a pretty penny, even more than the f10s are in same condition and mileage. But a late model f10 with low miles can be more desirable than an f90 simply because of the auto trans vs the dct for some purists or the manual versions which will never appear in the future. So there's a case to be had that it will retain some value or go up eventually, especially if the hybrids turn out to be rubbish... it's why I'm hesitant to buy an i4, I know I'll want the i5m or whatever later and idk if I'm gonna have any resale value on the i4 once the new Klass comes out

F10s are the least desired M5, I highly doubt it would ever outshine the F90 in the used market. The AWD is a huge benefit to the F90, along with the styling and more robust S63TU2.

[micvite]

Originally Posted by e92hunter

F10s are the least desired M5, I highly doubt it would ever outshine the F90 in the used market. The AWD is a huge benefit to the F90, along with the styling and more robust S63TU2.

Not really lol that dct is a blast with all that power (tuned of course) honestly it's nice to have rwd without having to completely turn off the nanies (mdm mode)

Also the f10 is technically the tu2 the f90 is the tu4...

[e92hunter]

Originally Posted by micvite

Not really lol that dct is a blast with all that power (tuned of course) honestly it's nice to have rwd without having to completely turn off the nanies (mdm mode)

Also the f10 is technically the tu2 the f90 is the tu4...

The only F10 that will become "desirable" is a low mileage manual. The F10 as a whole was a big let down by BMW, car got massively heavier, had major issues on the early models with oil consumption problems, and RWD in something this fast and heavy isn't a plus imo.

F90 correct all the "issues" on the F10 and brought up the driving feel up as well. Every F10 I've driven felt more muted and more akin to a 7 series compared to the F90 (esp since the F10 ran on the 7 series platform).

[micvite]

Originally Posted by e92hunter

The only F10 that will become "desirable" is a low mileage manual. The F10 as a whole was a big let down by BMW, car got massively heavier, had major issues on the early models with oil consumption problems, and RWD in something this fast and heavy isn't a plus imo.

F90 correct all the "issues" on the F10 and brought up the driving feel up as well. Every F10 I've driven felt more muted and more akin to a 7 series compared to the F90 (esp since the F10 ran on the 7 series platform).

Again you're entitled to you opinion... the manual was never a good option, it was bmw responding to people whining and bitching, it was not designed for the f10 m5, the dct was.

"Rwd in something this fast and heavy isn't a plus" I don't see any hellcat owners complaining, the car is a great car and you'll never get a transmission that shifts hard and fast enough to make it sound like it just fell put of the car again. I mean if all you care about is 0-60 times then yes the f90 "fixed" all of your problems if you didn't go with super sticky tires...