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      10-01-2020, 08:02 PM   #45
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I noticed the same thing the other day. 18s are cheap! The E63s seem to be holding value much better. Its hard to find one of those for under 90k. Almost all of the M5s, even with 3k miles, are low 80s. I'm just glad I leased...
Leasing is still a privilege you pay dearly for. The guy that buys the M5 for $110K and keeps it for 9 years is still way ahead of the lease guy who leased 3 times.

Depreciation only matters if you buy it and sell in 3 years. That's stupid.
I don't think the buyer is necessarily very far ahead if we factor in repairs on the purchased car after the warranty expires. Fixing an F90 ain't cheap. And it's a high-performance, high-maintenance vehicle.

Leasing we never pay to fix anything. Just tires and gas.
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I don't think the buyer is necessarily very far ahead if we factor in repairs on the purchased car after the warranty expires. Fixing an F90 ain't cheap. And it's a high-performance, high-maintenance vehicle.

Leasing we never pay to fix anything. Just tires and gas.
If you keep the M5 9 years, or 3 lease cycles, you are so far ahead, repairs won’t matter. Plus, you can sell the car at the end and probably get $30k. Go look at prices of a 2012 M5 now.

Even if you only keep the car 6 years, you’re still likely ahead of an average lease. You can do the math.

Leasing is the most expensive way to drive a car. You’re essentially renting it.

Now, you get a huge benefit. New car every 3 years, no maintenance, always driving the latest thing, etc...but you’re paying dearly for that privilege.

If you buy an M5 and sell it in 3-5 years, leasing is better. But doing that would just be stupid.
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      10-02-2020, 08:45 AM   #47
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If you keep the M5 9 years, or 3 lease cycles, you are so far ahead, repairs won’t matter. Plus, you can sell the car at the end and probably get $30k. Go look at prices of a 2012 M5 now.

Even if you only keep the car 6 years, you’re still likely ahead of an average lease. You can do the math.

Leasing is the most expensive way to drive a car. You’re essentially renting it.

Now, you get a huge benefit. New car every 3 years, no maintenance, always driving the latest thing, etc...but you’re paying dearly for that privilege.

If you buy an M5 and sell it in 3-5 years, leasing is better. But doing that would just be stupid.


who the hell owns an m5 after 9 years?
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who the hell owns an m5 after 9 years?
Uh, I don’t have the data, but I’m sure some do? Like I said, buying a car isn’t going to make more sense than a lease if you’re selling in 3 years.

Lease versus buy has caveats. I stated them.

If you flip cars every 3 or 4 years, you better have money to burn whether you buy or lease.

Objectively, buying is cheaper if you drive cars any meaningful amount of time.
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who the hell owns an m5 after 9 years?
I probably will. with 5 cars in my stable 4 already paid off the M5 is next to be paid off. 2 years to go, done.
And imagine each car gets only 5-10K a year.
different strokes, for different folks.

And my company pays for it (expense). What do I lose Nothing.
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breakeven is 5-6 years for buying.
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lol, ok guys. have fun rationalizing keeping an out of warranty m5 for 10 years. you win
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lol, ok guys. have fun rationalizing keeping an out of warranty m5 for 10 years. you win



What if you just like the car? My M550i has everything I've wanted in the past so I could honestly see myself owning it for the longest I've ever had a car. Have the expendable income to keep it alive and once I'm out of warranty I'm planning on taking the hit of losing my progressive discount benefits after nearly a decade to move to geico to get the maintenance/warranty perk.

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lol, ok guys. have fun rationalizing keeping an out of warranty m5 for 10 years. you win
LOL, ok have fun driving your rental.
I choose to drive what car I want tomorrow.
Rudeness = Rudeness , not sure why you wanna choose this path.
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lol, ok guys. have fun rationalizing keeping an out of warranty m5 for 10 years. you win
No need to get silly just because there are legitimate counterpoints to a freaking lease. It's not 10 years. It's more like 6...which is completely reasonable for a 2021 M5, as an example.

You want a new car every 3 years and NO maintenance? By all means lease it...but it's costing you an insane amount of money to do it. You're paying for maintenance and the privilege to drive that in warranty car, too. Leasing isn't some financial "hack" no one understands. It's an alternative method to paying for transportation and an expensive one.
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One should remember that the residual values are usually massively inflated with BMWFS leases.
Resale value of a car and residuals being off by 10K on an M5 is not unheard off.
This greatly lowers the depreciation you pay on the first 3 years of a car's ownership.

The question is:
Is (Depreciation in years 4-6+maintenance) lower than the (Depreciation in the first 3 years of a brand new car less the generous residual difference thrown in by BMWFS)?
It probably is lower. The difference is what you pay to drive the latest and greatest technological marvels and also not having to worry about the car being at the dealer for fixing of any sort.
For some it is worth it. But the difference is not as massive as most folks make it out to be.
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You want a new car every 3 years and NO maintenance? By all means lease it...but it's costing you an insane amount of money to do it. You're paying for maintenance and the privilege to drive that in warranty car, too. Leasing isn't some financial "hack" no one understands. It's an alternative method to paying for transportation and an expensive one.

Ive never kept a car longer then 2-3 years in my life except for my wraith, all my BMWs are leased, my porsches and performante have all been purchased but i go in knowing i will only keep it 2-3 years and after my e90 m3 and RS4 i owned i will absoutely not own one of thee cars out of warranty, i dont want the expense or more importantly the hassle of dealing with breakdowns.

50% of BMWs are leased higher then any other brand on the market, most BMW owners also dont want the hassle of dealign with maintanance and have figured out a lease loses them less money then buying and selling every 2-3 years.
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      10-15-2020, 06:41 PM   #57
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What does everyone think of CPO ? I typically buy only used and have had good luck with them. I initially said I was going new this time but I prefer the 18 or 19 because of the dash looking more analog. Mixed emotions about G80 because I am used of driving my 7 and am afraid I will miss the comfort.
I have a friend that is a certified BMW mechanic and praises the M5 and keeps my cars tip top shape.
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What does everyone think of CPO ? I typically buy only used and have had good luck with them. I initially said I was going new this time but I prefer the 18 or 19 because of the dash looking more analog. Mixed emotions about G80 because I am used of driving my 7 and am afraid I will miss the comfort.
I have a friend that is a certified BMW mechanic and praises the M5 and keeps my cars tip top shape.


CPO is an excellent option imo. You get the warranty, and you get the car 2-3 years old with much of the money already gone already. I would never buy new. Lease or CPO only.
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There is a Danish saying: "It is expensive to use mahogany as firewood" - and the same goes for the M5, as to some it is just a very expensive 5 series.

This is my 4th M5 (E39, E60, F10) and depreciation is indeed brutal. I always buy second hand, so the first owner took a 75.000 euro hit. If you keep your cars slightly more long term, i.e 4 years at least, buying outright is still financially better.

At the end of the day, an M5 is a luxury, not a necessity, and this is the price we pay to have a brilliant car, when a 520d (in Europe) would have done the A to B transport at a fraction of the cost.
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