[spool twice]

I hope it continues the current CS trend in terms of driving feel, excitement, and tangibles.

I can't explain it, but the difference in feedback between the M4/M4c vs the M4cs makes you wonder why BMW didn't maktangible qualities baked into the standard M4 since day 1, it would have eliminated complaints on steering feedback and suspension jitters/ride quality, and snap oversteer. Driving the M4cs is like turning back time, everything feels like how BMW's used to drive like.

Fwiw, the M4cs is only rated 9chp more than the M4c, yet dyno's about 15rwhp/45rwtq higher. So it's possible BMW is underrating the power difference of the M5cs just a tad (yes I do understand all M5's are underrated).

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by asif163

Is the $150k price point confirmed? I can see the car being offered at that price but here's hoping for closer to $130k. My RS6 Avant build date got pushed out yet again and if the M5 CS is the same price point, I for one would jump on it!

TWO Months later it will be worth half that.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by spool twice

I hope it continues the current CS trend in terms of driving feel, excitement, and tangibles.

I can't explain it, but the difference in feedback between the M4/M4c vs the M4cs makes you wonder why BMW didn't maktangible qualities baked into the standard M4 since day 1, it would have eliminated complaints on steering feedback and suspension jitters/ride quality, and snap oversteer. Driving the M4cs is like turning back time, everything feels like how BMW's used to drive like.

I think you have to keep in mind that the M4cs arrived a few years later and so had more development time; I think the standard M4 was their first shot at EPS? So they had some time to correct the 1.0 version issues in the M4cs. About the suspension jitters/ride quality, it could simply be that the M4cs changes were too expensive to budget in and/or development time was not available (delaying the standard M3/M4 by several years would've been impossible). Didn't they also fix some of it in the LCI?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by mbanck

I think you have to keep in mind that the M4cs arrived a few years later and so had more development time; I think the standard M4 was their first shot at EPS? So they had some time to correct the 1.0 version issues in the M4cs. About the suspension jitters/ride quality, it could simply be that the M4cs changes were too expensive to budget in and/or development time was not available (delaying the standard M3/M4 by several years would've been impossible). Didn't they also fix some of it in the LCI?

BMW has had experience with EPS since the early 2000's. Many variants of the E85/6 Z4 included EPS.

[adc]

Originally Posted by mbanck

I think you have to keep in mind that the M4cs arrived a few years later and so had more development time; I think the standard M4 was their first shot at EPS? So they had some time to correct the 1.0 version issues in the M4cs. About the suspension jitters/ride quality, it could simply be that the M4cs changes were too expensive to budget in and/or development time was not available (delaying the standard M3/M4 by several years would've been impossible). Didn't they also fix some of it in the LCI?

Indeed. I had a 2015 M3 for 3 years and now a 2018 LCI ZCP. The changes between them weren’t subtle, all for the better and much improved in the LCI.

Comparing my car with a CS, major contributors to further differences are lightweight wheels, Cup tires, softer sway bars (at the rear I think) and the EDC damping. After coding all the CS settings to my car it felt better. Well I’m still rolling on those stupid heavy 666 wheels but that rear sway bar is a take it or leave it item. It increases rear traction, to match the extra poke of the CS a engine tune, but I don’t find my car traction limited.

BTW you can apply the CS settings to any M3/4 from 2016 onwards, the hardware is compatible.

Evolution is normal, happened to most M generations: E30 had numerous evolutions with engine going from 2.3 to 2.5L, E36 had the 286/321 BHP engines, E46 had ZCP and CSL, E92 had the ZCP and GTS.

[adc]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

BMW has had experience with EPS since the early 2000's. Many variants of the E85/6 Z4 included EPS.

Indeed, but not in the M cars, he is right. Z4M had hydraulic steering.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by adc

Indeed, but not in the M cars, he is right. Z4M had hydraulic steering.

Yes, thankfully. But still the experience is there. Tuning feel for an EPS rack is not an M-exclusive job. Truthfully I think they could still do better in that department, car companies with less experience or even more mainstream cars have better steering.

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by JOHNBMWM5

TWO Months later it will be worth half that.

Because your M5 didn't depreciate at all? I mean, seriously, why even comment on this thread at all? you've made it pretty clear to everyone that you don't like the CS. Who cares? You sound like you are full of sour grapes man.

Makes me wonder if M5 drivers who hate on the M5CS are just jealous that there is a more unique variant coming out and they don't have it.

Happy New Year, John. Enjoy the M5 you have!

[BMthusiast]

Originally Posted by clee1982

They should bump the power, need even just for marketing...

Maybe these numbers are underrated and it'll do better on a Dyno.

[Neptune7]

A maxed out M5C can be over 140k USD so I expect the CS to hit 170-180k easily. It will sell out given that it has historical significance to the M5 lineage.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Kuato2084

Maybe these numbers are underrated and it'll do better on a Dyno.

Stated power ratings aren't crank; it's at the axle output shafts.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by adc

Indeed. I had a 2015 M3 for 3 years and now a 2018 LCI ZCP. The changes between them weren’t subtle, all for the better and much improved in the LCI.

Comparing my car with a CS, major contributors to further differences are lightweight wheels, Cup tires, softer sway bars (at the rear I think) and the EDC damping. After coding all the CS settings to my car it felt better. Well I’m still rolling on those stupid heavy 666 wheels but that rear sway bar is a take it or leave it item. It increases rear traction, to match the extra poke of the CS a engine tune, but I don’t find my car traction limited.

BTW you can apply the CS settings to any M3/4 from 2016 onwards, the hardware is compatible.

Evolution is normal, happened to most M generations: E30 had numerous evolutions with engine going from 2.3 to 2.5L, E36 had the 286/321 BHP engines, E46 had ZCP and CSL, E92 had the ZCP and GTS.

It's the front sway bar that is softer. CS has front base swaybar with CP rear sway bar. SO if you have a CP, all you need is to replace the front swaybar with a base one. The combination of less front roll stiffness and 19" front tires makes for a more balanced handling with less understeer.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Stated power ratings aren't crank; it's at the axle output shafts.

Care to elaborate what you imply here?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Yes, thankfully. But still the experience is there. Tuning feel for an EPS rack is not an M-exclusive job. Truthfully I think they could still do better in that department, car companies with less experience or even more mainstream cars have better steering.

Actually it is in some way. ///M division completely redesigned the EPS for the F8X and it was their first attempt.

[BlueString]

This will be a limited production vehicle. That alone will entice some people to drop the $$$ to get it.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by swagon

I think it was Auto Bild who did the test. I always take those time tables with a pinch of salt, though - different drivers, conditions, etc. And it was a couple tenths of second only. And the car was a prototype.

This:
The lap time was done by AutoBild’s Guido Naumann, who record a very impressive 1:31.88 in the BMW M5 CS. Compare that to the previous-generation Porsche 911 GT3’s 1:32.00 and the M5 CS is only faster by a fraction of a second. In fact, it’s so close that the driver, weather conditions and tire choice/condition could all wildly change the outcome of the comparison.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/12/20/v...n-991-911-gt3/

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

A maxed out M5C can be over 140k USD so I expect the CS to hit 170-180k easily. It will sell out given that it has historical significance to the M5 lineage.

I hope you are wrong about the price. $70k above the base M5 seems excessive.

You are right about that it’s a new chapter in the M5 history and I do believe it’s going to be a pretty epic car earning its place among the best M5s.

I won’t get one at $170k though. No car is worth that dough to me. Unfortunately I don’t play in the league were this level of money don’t matter.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by BlueString

This will be a limited production vehicle. That alone will entice some people to drop the $$$ to get it.

So was the M4 GTS I believe but it wasn’t really flying off the dealer lots. The M5 is much more desirable though due to its broader use and being near or at the top of it’s class. High price, track focused M4s is always going to struggle vs the GT3s of the world that aren’t based on family cars.

I think you are correct that the CS will easily find buyers for the planned production.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

If only it was 2021

Someone was in a rush to get out of 2020; I don't blame them

[Neptune7]

Originally Posted by solstice

I hope you are wrong about the price. $70k above the base M5 seems excessive.

You are right about that it's a new chapter in the M5 history and I do believe it's going to be a pretty epic car earning its place among the best M5s.

I won't get one at $170k though. No car is worth that dough to me. Unfortunately I don't play in the league were this level of money don't matter.

I hope I'm wrong too, but BMW will definitely put a comfortable distance between the Comp and the CS.

It is expensive, but may hold value as a potential unicorn as we are about to be swept by the tsunami wave of EV tech.

[SatinblkF90]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

I hope I'm wrong too, but BMW will definitely put a comfortable distance between the Comp and the CS.

It is expensive, but may hold value as a potential unicorn as we are about to be swept by the tsunami wave of EV tech.

True but I heard the next m5 will still come as a hyrbrid so it's not full EV just yet

[SFT33]

I have an E28, E34, E39 and F10 in my garage. Was waiting for this one. Meh. Lost me with the bronze trim. Reminds me of WRX. I’ll order an Individual car instead. Glad they made it - but not for me.