[Quickburn7]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Whats up Sylvain? Whats next in the arsenal; I know you just got the Pista and Spyder right?

I will say that I miss a few things in my Edition 1 E63S: the exhaust (duh) and that amazing Night Black Magno paint. The car looked the part. But yep, it was like a tank over rocks on regular roads (tracks are so much better paved).

Hey Vic! Yeah your old E63s looked amazing! Yeah I got the Pista spyder and 2 991.2 speedsters. I ran out of room long ago and now just parking them in different parking garages around LA! Lol
I have the SP2 on it's way in a month and the 812 GTS as well. Those bastard in Maranello never give us a break!
For my daily I put in my order for a 992 TTS which will replace the M5

[weingarm]

I don't know about you guys, but most of the miles in my 2019 F90 M5 base don't involve high-speed sweepers or twisty roads. So what others in this thread have said is true:

The M5 is a fast, highly capable, large luxury sedan that allows the driver to enjoy high speed and luxury in equal amounts. It even allows unreal performance on a track (more than a 4200lb car should ever able able to do).

But if you're expecting Porsche Boxster/Cayman or even Mazda Miata levels of driving enjoyment (especially with a manual transmission), go buy a Boxster/Cayman or Miata.

Not everyone can afford multiple cars, so for some, the M5 checks a lot of boxes. Maybe just not all the Boxster/Miata boxes.

I actually think the new manual version of the G80 M3 will cover many of those boxes, if you don't quite need the full-size M5 box.

[Earlando86]

Originally Posted by weingarm

I don't know about you guys, but most of the miles in my 2019 F90 M5 base don't involve high-speed sweepers or twisty roads. So what others in this thread have said is true:

The M5 is a fast, highly capable, large luxury sedan that allows the driver to enjoy high speed and luxury in equal amounts. It even allows unreal performance on a track (more than a 4200lb car should ever able able to do).

But if you're expecting Porsche Boxster/Cayman or even Mazda Miata levels of driving enjoyment (especially with a manual transmission), go buy a Boxster/Cayman or Miata.

Not everyone can afford multiple cars, so for some, the M5 checks a lot of boxes. Maybe just not all the Boxster/Miata boxes.

I actually think the new manual version of the G80 M3 will cover many of those boxes, if you don't quite need the full-size M5 box.

[marcvtec]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Proof that speed is not everything--- obviously this is subjective but I personally enjoying driving my 450 hp Porsche GTS more than my tuned F90. The margin is not by alot as the F90 delivers crazy speeds (mine is tuned) but thankfully there is more to the roads I drive than just straights.

Now in defense of the F90 this was your first run in the SLK55 in quite some time Im assuming? If this was a regular ride would it induce the same excitement?

Correct, it has been a probably 8 months since I drove it, so it does have the feeling of something new, i would suppose.
Now as a daily no chance as I am a big fat tall guy and with the roof down my head still sticks up past the windshield, so much that I should wear a motorcycle helmet or skiing googles, LOL. - the overall car is just too tiny for me. Very Fun, just too small.

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by Quickburn7

Hey Vic! Yeah your old E63s looked amazing! Yeah I got the Pista spyder and 2 991.2 speedsters. I ran out of room long ago and now just parking them in different parking garages around LA! Lol
I have the SP2 on it's way in a month and the 812 GTS as well. Those bastard in Maranello never give us a break!
For my daily I put in my order for a 992 TTS which will replace the M5

Very curious about your thoughts on the GT2RS in the ride and cruise noise ?? I get the itch from time to time to add one, but I don’t want a road noise wagon and a couple of owners have waved me off unless you really intend to track (I don’t).

My 2019 TTS is very close to ride comfort to my ex F 90 M5. The TTS does have a tiny bit more road noise, similar to my ex F85 X5M. But the TTS is very comfortable for 2 hour cruises.

[Salespunk]

Originally Posted by Earlando86

I have an X7 and f90 M5 but I definitely want a playful, quirky daily driver: civic hatchback sport touring, cpo 2018 330i sedan, 2020 m235i gc or 2020 m340i.

Civic Type R, best cheap speed out there

[Quickburn7]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

Very curious about your thoughts on the GT2RS in the ride and cruise noise ?? I get the itch from time to time to add one, but I don’t want a road noise wagon and a couple of owners have waved me off unless you really intend to track (I don’t).

My 2019 TTS is very close to ride comfort to my ex F 90 M5. The TTS does have a tiny bit more road noise, similar to my ex F85 X5M. But the TTS is very comfortable for 2 hour cruises.

I have only about 400 miles on my GT2 RS. The one I kept does not have the weissach package which helps a lot if driving this car on the street. It's a little quieter and rides a bit softer. However the GT2 RS doesn't compromise much so it is a very taut ride and can get loud depending on road surface. But damn is it fast and looks great!

[SpeedyDad]

M5’s used to be a ton of fun, but the last 2 generations have focused more on the luxury aspect. They are now great daily drivers but lost the magic they once had. Case in point- I purchased an F90 in May 2018 and then purchased a 2003 E39 M5 in June 2019 because I wanted more fun in a family sedan. I still have both cars, but the E39 puts a bigger smile on my face for 1/4 the price.

[Punitive]

Originally Posted by SpeedyDad

M5’s used to be a ton of fun, but the last 2 generations have focused more on the luxury aspect. They are now great daily drivers but lost the magic they once had. Case in point- I purchased an F90 in May 2018 and then purchased a 2003 E39 M5 in June 2019 because I wanted more fun in a family sedan. I still have both cars, but the E39 puts a bigger smile on my face for 1/4 the price.

If the F90 is the first M5 for most they won't understand what the E39 and E60 represented. Both of those having a permanent place in my garage. F90 held my attention for a year and 12k miles, I don't miss that car one bit.

I think Porsche has nailed it with 992, checking all the boxes.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Punitive

If the F90 is the first M5 for most they won't understand what the E39 and E60 represented. Both of those having a permanent place in my garage. F90 held my attention for a year and 12k miles, I don't miss that car one bit.

I think Porsche has nailed it with 992, checking all the boxes.

I am an E39, E60, F10 alumni regarding 5's and I remember 2nd gear in my E39 oh so well. What a rush back in the day.

The 992 is indeed checking it all and in typical Porsche fashion they continue to take evolution of the 911 and improve (well the 996 was questionable to me). Porsche is the only car where it has less than 500 hp and I dont even think about that when I drive while every other single car in my stable has 500 or even 600 with tunes etc.

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by Quickburn7

I have only about 400 miles on my GT2 RS. The one I kept does not have the weissach package which helps a lot if driving this car on the street. It's a little quieter and rides a bit softer. However the GT2 RS doesn't compromise much so it is a very taut ride and can get loud depending on road surface. But damn is it fast and looks great!

It does look awesome !

There is some special tech over the TTS that I like also (IC sprayers...I retro fitted these as they work very well, larger turbos, larger IC’s, 200lb weight drop, carbon panels, etc.) But the fixed back seats, ride quality, loss of sound deadening material, loss of AWD keeps me questioning.

Plus I’ve been driving the TTS more than normal for a “second” ride. 3000 miles a year is wayyy more than normal for me.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I am an E39, E60, F10 alumni regarding 5's and I remember 2nd gear in my E39 oh so well. What a rush back in the day.

The 992 is indeed checking it all and in typical Porsche fashion they continue to take evolution of the 911 and improve (well the 996 was questionable to me). Porsche is the only car where it has less than 500 hp and I dont even think about that when I drive while every other single car in my stable has 500 or even 600 with tunes etc.

Very true. The 992, like the 911s before it, is probably the best all around car out there. I also think the way they punch so far above their low hp ratings is great whereas others do seemingly always need more.

[Stealth7]

Originally Posted by Quickburn7

I have only about 400 miles on my GT2 RS. The one I kept does not have the weissach package which helps a lot if driving this car on the street. It's a little quieter and rides a bit softer. However the GT2 RS doesn't compromise much so it is a very taut ride and can get loud depending on road surface. But damn is it fast and looks great!

I have to ask, which do you prefer, the GT2 RS or the F488 Pista? If you could only keep one?! (Obviously not the case for you!)

[Archimedes65]

The M5 hasn't been a car like the E39 since the E39. The mistake is by anyone assuming that it is. The M5 long ago morphed into a big, fast luxury saloon car. It's fantastic at what it is intended to do, but not so good at what it wasn't.

[Quickburn7]

Originally Posted by Stealth7

I have to ask, which do you prefer, the GT2 RS or the F488 Pista? If you could only keep one?! (Obviously not the case for you!)

Pista since it literally has 2 personalities. It can be a comfortable, quiet cruiser for long drives even in the sport seats or put in race mode and it's a different car. Loud, very firm, twitchy on throttle. Don't get me wrong it drives great in race but you know it wants a track very badly.

It's like having an 812 SF and a GT2rs in one car.

[BwoodBMW]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I am an E39, E60, F10 alumni regarding 5's and I remember 2nd gear in my E39 oh so well. What a rush back in the day.

The 992 is indeed checking it all and in typical Porsche fashion they continue to take evolution of the 911 and improve (well the 996 was questionable to me). Porsche is the only car where it has less than 500 hp and I dont even think about that when I drive while every other single car in my stable has 500 or even 600 with tunes etc.

Ugh... I keep looking at other cars and it always comes back to the 992 for me. Blows my mind that a Carrera (s or 4s) optioned how is have it is $150k so keep not pulling the trigger but at this point it's almost inevitable that it's my next car. It's just SO good.

I remember when my dad brought home a brand new 996 C4S and it was loaded up and was 105k or something close to that. 50% up in 15 or so years... crazy. (Btw 996 C4S was an absolute joy to drive (3 pedals))

Only wild card is if I really like the look of the LCI M5... it's just such a big car, but a more usable rear seat makes sense in my life. That said, while the kids are small I think I can make a 911 work for a few years.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

Ugh... I keep looking at other cars and it always comes back to the 992 for me. Blows my mind that a Carrera (s or 4s) optioned how is have it is $150k so keep not pulling the trigger but at this point it's almost inevitable that it's my next car. It's just SO good.

I remember when my dad brought home a brand new 996 C4S and it was loaded up and was 105k or something close to that. 50% up in 15 or so years... crazy. (Btw 996 C4S was an absolute joy to drive (3 pedals))

Only wild card is if I really like the look of the LCI M5... it's just such a big car, but a more usable rear seat makes sense in my life. That said, while the kids are small I think I can make a 911 work for a few years.

What are your thoughts on a Boxster/Cayman? You could probably get a new GTS 4.0 or Used 981 and use/save the rest of the money on something practical.

I LOVE the new 992 911, and pretty much all 911's, however, the one's I like tend to be priced above $150k so I could definitely see getting a Boxster + a Practical Car as a solution for myself at least.

[BwoodBMW]

Originally Posted by jstein55

What are your thoughts on a Boxster/Cayman? You could probably get a new GTS 4.0 or Used 981 and use/save the rest of the money on something practical.

I LOVE the new 992 911, and pretty much all 911's, however, the one's I like tend to be priced above $150k so I could definitely see getting a Boxster + a Practical Car as a solution for myself at least.

Thought about a 718 spyder + 4 door wrangler or even golf R...

But I really just want a 911 and only have 2 car garage... guess I could kick the wife out...

[shoei]

Originally Posted by Quickburn7

Hey Vic! Yeah your old E63s looked amazing! Yeah I got the Pista spyder and 2 991.2 speedsters. I ran out of room long ago and now just parking them in different parking garages around LA! Lol
I have the SP2 on it's way in a month and the 812 GTS as well. Those bastard in Maranello never give us a break!
For my daily I put in my order for a 992 TTS which will replace the M5

I volunteer. I volunteer as tribute.

I've got a rather large garage currently so feel free to leave some surplus in my garage... Nothing will happen to them, don't worry...

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by Stealth7

+1

Apparently, Mercedes AMG is addressing the suspension harshness issue in their 2021 E63S update. The suspension is what primarily turned me off to that car – that and BMW's decision to offer the Competition edition of the M5! My wife's 2018 AMG C 43 suffers from the same harsh suspension, even on comfort. We live in orange County, California by the beach and the roads are very good so the Mercedes AMG cars do in fact have a very harsh suspension. They really just need one more comfortable setting.

Here in Brazil there was an update in the first LCI (2019 model with new steering) where they softened the suspension. The car is not harsh as the first ones I drove.

Nevertheless it is still harsher than the M5. The M5 is much more comfortable

[CarlosM4]

I think the M5 F90 is great, and I am no way criticizing and regretting my purchase as I do not.

I just think it is not as exciting in the long term. At first the acceleration and handling is addictive, but once you get through those aspects, it is an amazingly accomplished car, but does not get your "trousers hot". Is that enough for me to say it is rubbish? Hell no. I just expected something more exciting, given that it is a "super saloon". I think nowadays other than the crazy lunatic performance, nothing sets an M5 apart from an average of the mill 540i M Sport or M550i. It does not feel special. The F10 felt fundamentally different from an F10 5 series, the F90 doesn't. Maybe it is the average mill 5 series that improved so much. I don't know. I had a 530e M Sport loaner while my car was in service before this COVID crisis. And since I spend most of my time in traffic driving slowly (São Paulo's traffic is a fucking joke), I "forgot" that the car wasn't my M5. It had all the same features and it felt exactly the same while driving in traffic. My wife did not even realize it was a different car when I got home (the styling is pretty similar).

I think the M5 nowadays is just a luxury barge with crazy performance. The E63 S took the M5's place in the sense that it feels compromised and special, it feels completely different to an E Class. It is not a better car than an M5, but it is a better "supersedan".

I have owned F10 M5, F06 M6 GC, W212 E AMG, C218 CLS AMG, W204 C AMG, E90 M, and E60 M, the car that is by far the best is the M5 F90, but it feels the least special out of this bunch. Like I said, I love it, and when I drive the balls out of it, I think it is beyond amazing, but it does not feel special in a daily basis. Those cars did.

I do believe the M5 F90 is the best car for sale right now in the world, in the since it is the most accomplished and complete car, and since the 992 Turbo S is not coming anytime soon for me, I will be keeping my F90. I will either mod it or buy a 981 Boxster or Cayman to join the fun, or maybe an old 991 Carrera, to get some more driving thrills.

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I think the M5 F90 is great, and I am no way criticizing and regretting my purchase as I do not.

I just think it is not as exciting in the long term. At first the acceleration and handling is addictive, but once you get through those aspects, it is an amazingly accomplished car, but does not get your "trousers hot". Is that enough for me to say it is rubbish? Hell no. I just expected something more exciting, given that it is a "super saloon". I think nowadays other than the crazy lunatic performance, nothing sets an M5 apart from an average of the mill 540i M Sport or M550i. It does not feel special. The F10 felt fundamentally different from an F10 5 series, the F90 doesn't. Maybe it is the average mill 5 series that improved so much. I don't know. I had a 530e M Sport loaner while my car was in service before this COVID crisis. And since I spend most of my time in traffic driving slowly (São Paulo's traffic is a fucking joke), I "forgot" that the car wasn't my M5. It had all the same features and it felt exactly the same while driving in traffic. My wife did not even realize it was a different car when I got home (the styling is pretty similar).

I think the M5 nowadays is just a luxury barge with crazy performance. The E63 S took the M5's place in the sense that it feels compromised and special, it feels completely different to an E Class. It is not a better car than an M5, but it is a better "supersedan".

I have owned F10 M5, F06 M6 GC, W212 E AMG, C218 CLS AMG, W204 C AMG, E90 M, and E60 M, the car that is by far the best is the M5 F90, but it feels the least special out of this bunch. Like I said, I love it, and when I drive the balls out of it, I think it is beyond amazing, but it does not feel special in a daily basis. Those cars did.

you've had alot of "big" cars, at some point try something lighter. Your perspective will change significantly.