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      08-05-2019, 09:47 AM   #1
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M5 VS M5 Competition

I know what the numbers say, and I was fortunate enough to drive them both on the track. These cars are a total blast to drive.

I'm currently in a 540iX Msport and I am totally craving an M5 or M5Comp since I left the track.

Can someone summarize the differences between them in case I am missing something?

Also, I will be daily driving his in the NY metro area. So I am concerned about drivability in heavy traffic and the rims (I have the 19" 664M w/Run flats not) and the wheel and ire insurance.

On the track the Comp felt amazing and I was wondering how it is no a less than perfect road in daily use?

You guys are all very lucky to have access to these beasts and I hope to join you one day.
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Thanks for the video


Question. Anyone daily drive a competition on Long Island and Ny metro area. I’m in sales and drive 18k a year. This car has been keeping me up at night.

I felt the difference in these cars on the track mostly in the suspension. Not the acceleration. I like the black kidney grills but I can do that after and they both have the black trim around the windows. Right ?

I am concerned that the competition may be too stiff to e comfortable as a daily driver on the crappy roads we have here. Any drivability issues in traffic is 90 degree plus weather ?

My Wife’s lease it up before mine And I may just have to give my car to her when her 53O is up and belly up and make my dream come true.

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      08-05-2019, 06:45 PM   #4
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the power difference is negligible. if you're going to lower the car or do any exhaust mods, get the regular one.
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      08-05-2019, 06:54 PM   #5
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....and they both have the black trim around the windows. Right ? ....
My 2019 F90 M5 Base has the glossy shadowline trim in-between front/rear windows and it looks very nice.

Neither my ‘99 540i or 2006 550i had gloss shadowline trim, they were both a matte-type finish; for which I liked too.
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      08-05-2019, 07:13 PM   #6
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Question. Anyone daily drive a competition on Long Island and Ny metro area. I’m in sales and drive 18k a year. This car has been keeping me up at night.

I felt the difference in these cars on the track mostly in the suspension. Not the acceleration. I like the black kidney grills but I can do that after and they both have the black trim around the windows. Right ?

I am concerned that the competition may be too stiff to e comfortable as a daily driver on the crappy roads we have here. Any drivability issues in traffic is 90 degree plus weather ?

My Wife’s lease it up before mine And I may just have to give my car to her when her 53O is up and belly up and make my dream come true.

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First few rides it does feel harsh but once you have driven it for a few days, it is not an issue at all. Comfort mode is perfect - l'll dial it up when I want to transform into a savage.

If the $7K up charge is not an issue, you should get the comp!
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For a daily driver in NY I would opt for the base M5. I'm from Ohio and live in NC... The reason I bring this up, every time I go up north in any of my performance cars, I'm shocked how crappy the roads are. I am daily driving a Gen 5 Viper currently (NC) and would never consider that up north.

$7k more, slightly lowered, only 17 hp more, harsher ride... I do like the blacked out kidney grill surrounds and I plan to add those. I think if you are honest with yourself, base is the best choice for a DD (unless having the top performance version means anything). Again, that's personal preference.

I plan to daily drive my base M5 once it arrives in a couple of months as I have other sports cars to drive on the weekend. If the M5 was going to be my weekend toy, I would more likely opt for the comp.
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      08-05-2019, 10:41 PM   #8
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Owning a M5 CE I can tell you the ride is no different compared to a standard M5. Comfort mode is the same between the two cars. The 25 HP bump is noticeable - across the rev range. And for the record it isn't a 17 HP difference. There are two ratings; 592 HP which the Comp is rated at 617 and 600, which the comp is rated at 625 - simply different power ratings). The suspension on S+ is noticeable however it is stiffer and more planted than the standard car. Wheels, black trim and the better exhaust sound works for me - versus spending money on aftermarket gear. On average the Comps are 1-2 tenths quicker and 1-2 MPH faster. That said - I have come to within 3 tenths of a MPH from hitting 130 MPH in the 1/4 and most standard cars are trapping 126ish MPH. 10.8x to low 10.9x versus 11.1 to 11.0 for most standard cars. If you aren't modding - 2 tenths is still at least a full car - closer to 1.5 cars. As I am not modding this car - it was the best all round choice for me.
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      08-06-2019, 06:24 AM   #9
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For me the ride quality for a 20 mile commute made a difference, and I chose the base M5 for this reason. But I definitely like the trim and wheels of the competition much better. I put the wheels and trim on my M5 and got the combo best for me.
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      08-06-2019, 09:58 AM   #11
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Owning a M5 CE I can tell you the ride is no different compared to a standard M5. Comfort mode is the same between the two cars. The 25 HP bump is noticeable - across the rev range. And for the record it isn't a 17 HP difference. There are two ratings; 592 HP which the Comp is rated at 617 and 600, which the comp is rated at 625 - simply different power ratings). The suspension on S+ is noticeable however it is stiffer and more planted than the standard car. Wheels, black trim and the better exhaust sound works for me - versus spending money on aftermarket gear. On average the Comps are 1-2 tenths quicker and 1-2 MPH faster. That said - I have come to within 3 tenths of a MPH from hitting 130 MPH in the 1/4 and most standard cars are trapping 126ish MPH. 10.8x to low 10.9x versus 11.1 to 11.0 for most standard cars. If you aren't modding - 2 tenths is still at least a full car - closer to 1.5 cars. As I am not modding this car - it was the best all round choice for me.

I have to disagree regarding the suspension. The standard car, at least here in the UK, is just so much more supple/compliant, it is night and day difference. I sold my Competition M5 recently, but then borrowed a standard car for a couple of days. It is so noticeably more compliant, it is like a different car.
I would argue to be being able to drive the standard car quicker across our UK B roads, because of the way the car/suspension absorbs more of the gnarly bumps and dips of the road, and i feel it doesnt get knocked off line to the same degree ?. Im sure the Competition is quicker on track, or smooth surfaces, where the harder, lower center of gravity may make a difference.
The 16bhp or so, i think is imperceptible on the road also, as both models are very, very quick cars.
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I have to disagree regarding the suspension. The standard car, at least here in the UK, is just so much more supple/compliant, it is night and day difference. I sold my Competition M5 recently, but then borrowed a standard car for a couple of days. It is so noticeably more compliant, it is like a different car.
I would argue to be being able to drive the standard car quicker across our UK B roads, because of the way the car/suspension absorbs more of the gnarly bumps and dips of the road, and i feel it doesnt get knocked off line to the same degree ?. Im sure the Competition is quicker on track, or smooth surfaces, where the harder, lower center of gravity may make a difference.
The 16bhp or so, i think is imperceptible on the road also, as both models are very, very quick cars.
It’s perception - and therefore subjective - so impossible to argue.
I felt zero difference.
16 or 25 HP isn’t worth arguing over - but for the record it is 25 lol.
For the performance minded - it takes you from being a low 11 second car on average to a high 10 second car. I agree both cars are quite quick - and on the street - you would not notice as much as at the track.
The seats are so comfortable - the bumps get soaked up - by the comfort suspension and the left overs by the seats.
This all said - I am used to stiff suspension cars - and for the additional performance for not much investment - it’s worth it for me.

If you are buying this car for simple commuting and don’t care much about performance, I would actually suggest the M550ix - which is much softer than the M5. Or a 7 series.
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16 or 25 HP isn’t worth arguing over - but for the record it is 25 lol.
The M5 is 600 HP in the US and the M5C is 617 HP in the US, so for the record, in the US, it is 17 HP difference, not 25.

That being said, there are a number of 'reviews' where they've shown that in reality the car is more like 600 HP at the wheels, which makes the point more than a little moot.
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16 or 25 HP isn't worth arguing over - but for the record it is 25 lol.
The M5 is 600 HP in the US and the M5C is 617 HP in the US, so for the record, in the US, it is 17 HP difference, not 25.

That being said, there are a number of 'reviews' where they've shown that in reality the car is more like 600 HP at the wheels, which makes the point more than a little moot.
Indeed. Many reviews with dyno results have shown that the base M5 makes AT LEAST 680hp at the crank; the M5C makes close to 700hp. These numbers are based on conservative 15% losses to the wheels. In reality the loss maybe a little less (so crank HP may actually be higher).

Trust me, you cannot feel the difference between 680, 700, or 720hp from the drivers seat.
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For me the ride quality for a 20 mile commute made a difference, and I chose the base M5 for this reason. But I definitely like the trim and wheels of the competition much better. I put the wheels and trim on my M5 and got the combo best for me.
Where did you get the comp rims? Did the dealer order them for you? I agree, they look nice. Better than the two tone stock wheels IMO. Actually, I kind of like the 550i wheels better than mine.
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Where did you get the comp rims? Did the dealer order them for you? I agree, they look nice. Better than the two tone stock wheels IMO. Actually, I kind of like the 550i wheels better than mine.
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This question again?? Lots of threads on this. Read 'em and get what you want. Both are great.

But for me the Comp is a whole other level of M5 and probably not for everybody. It just drives different from the base. No its not the HP gain which is minimal but the power band is much broader than the base....its the different suspension, better exhaust, more useable torque, increased front camber, different roll bars, different engine mounts and ball joints, gorgeous black bits, everything.... adds up to a more buttoned down M5 that feels more immediate to me. And the cost is less than if I did the mods myself.

And for me, M5C suspension is just fine. Like it in Sport, feels really connected. It doesn't have the luxo barge feel, so if you are looking for that you will be disappointed. But if you want a car that has no business doing the things it does, then the M5Comp might be your car.
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For me, it came down to one thing...modding. The comp is the car to get if you want a sportier ride and/or don't want to modify it. If you do plan to mod (big ones in this case are tune, exhaust, lowering springs), the argument for the comp isn't as strong. It's hard to be objective on this topic, but thats what pushed me in a direction. I also spent time in both.
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i wonder if those who say the comp is so stiff and jarring have ever actually ridden in a true sports car.
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I know what the numbers say, and I was fortunate enough to drive them both on the track. These cars are a total blast to drive.

I'm currently in a 540iX Msport and I am totally craving an M5 or M5Comp since I left the track.

Can someone summarize the differences between them in case I am missing something?

Also, I will be daily driving his in the NY metro area. So I am concerned about drivability in heavy traffic and the rims (I have the 19" 664M w/Run flats not) and the wheel and ire insurance.

On the track the Comp felt amazing and I was wondering how it is no a less than perfect road in daily use?

You guys are all very lucky to have access to these beasts and I hope to join you one day.
I had the M5C for 7 months. Drove it daily in BROOKLYN NY, it was all good. You are use to the roads. Get the comp. few bucks more.
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The M5 is 600 HP in the US and the M5C is 617 HP in the US, so for the record, in the US, it is 17 HP difference, not 25.

That being said, there are a number of 'reviews' where they've shown that in reality the car is more like 600 HP at the wheels, which makes the point more than a little moot.
For the record the M5 makes 592 HP or 600 PS and the M5 Competition makes 617 HP or 625 PS. For an increase of 25 HP. The amount of HP does not change between North America and Europe.

And I agree - the cars make (much) more power than advertised. As a 4400 lb car is not running 10.8x at ~130 MPH with 617 BHP.

As to feeling the difference - the way I put it without the numbers is the M5C feels like a strong standard M5 - all the time.
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16 or 25 HP isn't worth arguing over - but for the record it is 25 lol.
The M5 is 600 HP in the US and the M5C is 617 HP in the US, so for the record, in the US, it is 17 HP difference, not 25.

That being said, there are a number of 'reviews' where they've shown that in reality the car is more like 600 HP at the wheels, which makes the point more than a little moot.
Indeed. Many reviews with dyno results have shown that the base M5 makes AT LEAST 680hp at the crank; the M5C makes close to 700hp. These numbers are based on conservative 15% losses to the wheels. In reality the loss maybe a little less (so crank HP may actually be higher).

Trust me, you cannot feel the difference between 680, 700, or 720hp from the drivers seat.
Lol. 15% Drivetrain loss. I love it when people use this to chase fake numbers.

Modern cars DO NOT lose 15% in the drivetrain.

Even with the M xDrive the true loss is around 8%.
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