[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by NH_M3

I must be blind, I dont see the button you guys speak of.

It's the button above the park sensor button

[dsocold]

not feeling these new m package and M vehicle steering wheels besides the f30 m and f82 m wheel

[lm1z]

on the shifter, but excited for the car.

[BwoodBMW]

Originally Posted by stulio2181

Shifter reminds me of the old Tron game

This would be the best retrofit ever...

[Nomana]

Originally Posted by JTO24

Shift lever reminds me of the PDK lever in the new Panamera

Alien stick

[BMWjunkie]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

But wait a second meow ... no DCT? no 6MT? So ... why are we here again?

The all new M5 seems to be an every-man GT cruiser at this point.

Oh well, another victory for bean counters and shareholders.

Well, apparently too much HP/TQ for the DCT, right? But as mentioned in thread, Porsche manages to continue using a double-clutch in a high HP/TQ Panamera Turbo. So WTF, right? I love my DCT - I know the new trans doesn't have a torque converter, supposedly, but if it isn't at least as good as the DCT for performance/fun I'll never consider the damn thing.

Not that I plan on getting a "performance" sedan that fracking big anyway! My M3 is kinda right at my limit now. So I'm more worried about the trickle-down tech for the next gen M3/M4. Anyway, maybe BMW M is doing me a favor. My wife and bank account will be very happy if I stick with my current car for the next decade or so.

[ron_jeremy]

The SMG shifters have all been pretty nice, this shifter reminds me of the cheap ugly UKL F48 shifter.
Doesn´t look like a shifter in the top dog of the 5 series imo. The rest looks ok, but the steering wheel.

[r20]

Blah... is that a 2018? Or 2015?

Doesn't matter looks only like an incremental change.

[N & M]

Originally Posted by daddymalu

I will miss the DCT.... not having it will take some fun out of the driving experience....

I agree. This is the single most challenging change the new M5 brings but at this point barring a few competitors it just makes it use the standard tranny of the segment.

Ultimately we will only know when we get to drive it but judging from the press drives the reaction is overwhelming positive.

[JRobUSC]

Originally Posted by BMWjunkie

Well, apparently too much HP/TQ for the DCT, right? But as mentioned in thread, Porsche manages to continue using a double-clutch in a high HP/TQ Panamera Turbo. So WTF, right? I love my DCT - I know the new trans doesn't have a torque converter, supposedly, but if it isn't at least as good as the DCT for performance/fun I'll never consider the damn thing.

Porsche doesn't even share that transmission within VAG. Audi, for example, just stuck the ZF 8-speed in the new RS5 "because a DCT couldn't handle the torque". We know that's not true, since the same engine (and more powerful ones) have DCT's in Porsche models. And in BMW models, for that matter. As for why BMW's existing DCT wasn't used, I imagine it wasn't designed for AWD, and if Audi didn't get access to the DCT, BMW sure wouldn't. My understanding is they got the shift times in the new M ZF down to 100ms. If so that's as fast as the best DCT's on the market, and better than any competitors (most of which are at 200ms). BMW is already known for having the best programming of the ZF, I'll wait to experience the new M5 before assuming they suddenly forgot what they were doing when it came to transmission logic on this version.

[Nivarox]

The gear selector is the best looking one I have ever seen .I would definitely go thru trouble having it retrofitted in my G30

[BMWjunkie]

Originally Posted by JRobUSC

Porsche doesn't even share that transmission within VAG. Audi, for example, just stuck the ZF 8-speed in the new RS5 "because a DCT couldn't handle the torque". We know that's not true, since the same engine (and more powerful ones) have DCT's in Porsche models. And in BMW models, for that matter. As for why BMW's existing DCT wasn't used, I imagine it wasn't designed for AWD, and if Audi didn't get access to the DCT, BMW sure wouldn't. My understanding is they got the shift times in the new M ZF down to 100ms. If so that's as fast as the best DCT's on the market, and better than any competitors (most of which are at 200ms). BMW is already known for having the best programming of the ZF, I'll wait to experience the new M5 before assuming they suddenly forgot what they were doing when it came to transmission logic on this version.

I agree it's a wait and see thing, and for the M5 it's probably the best fit. It's an Autobahn blaster now, not a canyon carver. I guess any fun cars that make us feel like we have control over their shifting should be enjoyed while they are still around...before everything goes silently electric!

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by JRobUSC

Porsche doesn't even share that transmission within VAG. Audi, for example, just stuck the ZF 8-speed in the new RS5 "because a DCT couldn't handle the torque". We know that's not true, since the same engine (and more powerful ones) have DCT's in Porsche models. And in BMW models, for that matter. As for why BMW's existing DCT wasn't used, I imagine it wasn't designed for AWD, and if Audi didn't get access to the DCT, BMW sure wouldn't. My understanding is they got the shift times in the new M ZF down to 100ms. If so that's as fast as the best DCT's on the market, and better than any competitors (most of which are at 200ms). BMW is already known for having the best programming of the ZF, I'll wait to experience the new M5 before assuming they suddenly forgot what they were doing when it came to transmission logic on this version.

The 8HP coupled with V8+Hybrid won't fit in the Porsche MSB Platform. Oops. It's also limited to 750nm unless combined with Hybrid for short peak limit up to 1000nm.

[clbmw]

Despite all the pessimism about the AWD I think this is going to get rave reviews.

Just needs a steering wheel designed for the car instead of one with buttons glued on.

Oh and a tourer option so that you can actually use it as a proper family car

[evanescent03]

I love M3s, but u think by the time I'm ready for a new car, this will be pretty high on my list. can't wait until it's released!

[DGod]

Can't get over that floating rear caliper... Hated it on my F10, hate it on this one. It just doesn't match the rest of the car. At least finish it better!

[Mbbrewer]

I had an extended test drive in the m550i and the ZF 8 speed is phenomenal in that car. Very quick smooth crisp responsive shifts. Always in the right gear when you needed it. I can only imagine that it's going to be even better in the M5. It's better than the DCT in the F10.

[cbertels]

Originally Posted by DGod

Can't get over that floating rear caliper... Hated it on my F10, hate it on this one. It just doesn't match the rest of the car. At least finish it better!

This!

[M5007]

Nice. I like the red button for push to start.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by DGod

Can't get over that floating rear caliper... Hated it on my F10, hate it on this one. It just doesn't match the rest of the car. At least finish it better!

It's there for the electric parking brake. So far Brembo only have a floating caliper that incorporates electric parking brake functionality available. Brembo has however just released a fixed caliper with this feature that will be available in the future.

Just check out what rear calipers the AMG GT also use and you see it's not just BMW that is stuck with the floating caliper...

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by JRobUSC

My understanding is they got the shift times in the new M ZF down to 100ms. If so that's as fast as the best DCT's on the market, and better than any competitors (most of which are at 200ms).

I have to point out that fastest DCT in the market shifts in 6-8ms. Contact ZF (Porsche tranny supplier) for a more accurate info. DCT is consistent in downshifts at the limit where torque converter struggles after a while due to overheating. It might be just me, but I hate the half-clutch-all-the-time feel of auto tranny.

[davey111483]

is it fully automatic not DCT? why do they have paddle shifters?