[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by Archimedes65

Massive difference on the street, at least the one's I've used in the past. Hawk Ceramics. Shouldn't even be allowed to be sold to the public. Paid a mechanic to put them on my Audi, then paid him again three months later to take them off and go back to stock.

Oh, then you're breaking the laws of the road, that's up to you, but ceramic pads aren't for performance driving, they all disclaim it.

I've run ceramic pads on almost all of my non carbon ceramic brake cars for maybe 10 years now, anything that goes to track days gets a simple pad swap before and after, easy enough....no dust on the street is important to me.

[MDJAK]

Originally Posted by OT-Dan

Porsches do this as well. The recommendation is to do a couple hard stops from time to time.

I’m far from expert, as far as can be. But what I am is the owner of 6 Porsches, 3 Macans, an S and 2 Turbos, a Panamera, and 2 911s.

I’ve tracked one of the 911s.

None of my Porsche brakes ever squealed, not when new or as they aged.

Mine were all steel.

Thankfully my 2020 M5 does not squeal. No, it’s not normal.

[ZZZZMD1991]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Ceramics do not squeal.....I have steels.

I have the ceramics; there is a little squeal at the end of a stop. I do a lot of stop-and-go driving......A nice aggressive stop from "take-off" speed will burn off the corrosion buildup and help a lot.....I don't mind a bit of squealing....all disc brakes are a bit prone to this.

No squeaks yet at 300 miles. But all the threads about this issue ensure my paranoia will be just as unbearable as any actual brake noise.

[dalixz25]

Temperature and brake dust seem to be contributing factors.

[Archimedes65]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

Oh, then you're breaking the laws of the road, that's up to you, but ceramic pads aren't for performance driving, they all disclaim it.

Had nothing at all to do with performance driving; in fact the two vehicles I tried them on over the years were family cars, not my sporty cars. They sucked monkey balls. Backing my wife's Q7 out of the driveway with Hawk Ceramics on them was horrifying. It would not stop. I haven't pressed that hard on a brake pedal since my Dad's 74 Mercury Comet with manual brakes.

They got marginally better when they heated up, but they were never good and I quickly got tired of reminding my wife every time she got in the car to make sure nobody was within 100 feet of you when you back out of the driveway, because the car ain't gonna stop.

Quickly went back to the stock brakes and they were awesome. What's funny is when I called the big Audi indy shop in the Bay Area to have the Hawk pads installed, he refused to do it. He said they were awful and that he would never put them on a customer car for liability reasons. Stock only. Little did I know how right he was.

[Archimedes65]

Originally Posted by carpoor4345

No squeaks yet at 300 miles. But all the threads about this issue ensure my paranoia will be just as unbearable as any actual brake noise.

Noise or lack thereof has nothing to do with the brakes themselves, it's all about how you drive the car. Nothing unique about BMW in this regard.