[avi8tir]

Is the 6MT dead? I never even considered a manual but if the DCT is out, I would opt for a 6MT!

[IshR]

If f90 drops DCT for an Auto box, I think the folks working in M-division have gone FULL RETARD.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by IshR

If f90 drops DCT for an Auto box, I think the folks working in M-division have gone FULL RETARD.

No, they are not retard, they just care more about the bottom line than satisfying a few enthusiasts.

[RACEM4TE]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

No, they are not retard, they just care more about the bottom line than satisfying a few enthusiasts.

True but bmw is the only company that uses a DCT while audi uses a ZF And merc a mct

[mundo74]

Originally Posted by RACEM4TE

True but bmw is the only company that uses a DCT while audi uses a ZF And merc a mct

and both are lesser than the dct. herd mentality is winning.

[Motorboat411]

Originally Posted by RACEM4TE

Heres the new details, spotted by my friends son and he sent them to me immediately (we both are M fanboys while his father is on the AMG side)

What does the instrument cluster look like? Standard 5-series LCD one or traditional with needles? If LCD, then did it have a different "theme"?

[IshR]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

No, they are not retard, they just care more about the bottom line than satisfying a few enthusiasts.

Disagree a little there matey. They are blurring lines - 550 is supposed to be for the non enthusiasts. M5 has always been for the enthusiasts like us on this forum.

We may all decide the m5 isnt so special any more, the RS6 and E63s amg are certainly a lot more appealing if f90 drops dct and has a heavy awd system. How is the f90 going to be better then its competition?

I tell you one thing, the E63s sounds a hell of a lot better 😄

[RACEM4TE]

Originally Posted by IshR

Disagree a little there matey. They are blurring lines - 550 is supposed to be for the non enthusiasts. M5 has always been for the enthusiasts like us on this forum.

We may all decide the m5 isnt so special any more, the RS6 and E63s amg are certainly a lot more appealing if f90 drops dct and has a heavy awd system. How is the f90 going to be better then its competition?

I tell you one thing, the E63s sounds a hell of a lot better 😄

BMW is definitely going to be lighter even with AWD. Fuck sakes The new B9 RS5 weighs 1650 kilos while the C63s weighs 1900 with RWD, the M4? Lighter than both.

[RACEM4TE]

Originally Posted by Motorboat411

What does the instrument cluster look like? Standard 5-series LCD one or traditional with needles? If LCD, then did it have a different "theme"?

Full screen with a M mode. Maybe shift lights like audis VC?

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by IshR

Disagree a little there matey. They are blurring lines - 550 is supposed to be for the non enthusiasts. M5 has always been for the enthusiasts like us on this forum.

We may all decide the m5 isnt so special any more, the RS6 and E63s amg are certainly a lot more appealing if f90 drops dct and has a heavy awd system. How is the f90 going to be better then its competition?

I tell you one thing, the E63s sounds a hell of a lot better 😄

Maybe in the past, but not anymore. They said they will not make turbo cars, won't make M SUV, no AWD on the M sedans, well, look what have we got now?

Porsche now makes more SUV than 911s. Remember purists used to upset when Porsche started making the SUVs? How did Porsche respond? Make even more of them, because it makes a lot of money for Porsche.

I don't have access to BMW's data, but I am pretty sure most M5 buyers don't participate in forums and are likely old rich people who are increasingly placing a premium on comfort.

[Fixinbones]

Originally Posted by gblansten

If you lease then the value prop of the M5 over the E63S is stunning and deeply obvious.

Yup, AMGs are the worst cars in its class when it come to lease values

[Bowser330]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

Maybe in the past, but not anymore. They said they will not make turbo cars, won't make M SUV, no AWD on the M sedans, well, look what have we got now?

Porsche now makes more SUV than 911s. Remember purists used to upset when Porsche started making the SUVs? How did Porsche respond? Make even more of them, because it makes a lot of money for Porsche.

I don't have access to BMW's data, but I am pretty sure most M5 buyers don't participate in forums and are likely old rich people who are increasingly placing a premium on comfort.

And it's the same for BMW. Last I read BMW SUV sales were just as much as the famous 3-series

[IshR]

Originally Posted by RACEM4TE

BMW is definitely going to be lighter even with AWD. Fuck sakes The new B9 RS5 weighs 1650 kilos while the C63s weighs 1900 with RWD, the M4? Lighter than both.

Maybe, but not significantly lighter. 2017 E63s AMG has EU Kerb Weight of 1955kg which includes tank of fuel and 75kg person. The f10 M5 has EU kerb weight of 1945kg.

[FastLaneJB]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

Maybe in the past, but not anymore. They said they will not make turbo cars, won't make M SUV, no AWD on the M sedans, well, look what have we got now?

Porsche now makes more SUV than 911s. Remember purists used to upset when Porsche started making the SUVs? How did Porsche respond? Make even more of them, because it makes a lot of money for Porsche.

I don't have access to BMW's data, but I am pretty sure most M5 buyers don't participate in forums and are likely old rich people who are increasingly placing a premium on comfort.

I'm a F10 M5 owner and 38. However I'm a dad and can do some reasonable distances for work on occasions so comfort is important and space is important. If I didn't have kids a 2 door sports car might well be a nicer thing to sling around windy roads but as an all rounder the M5 is pretty hard to beat. Don't fancy running two cars for myself so a good all in one is what I'm after.

On the F10 in comfort mode and with the seats they put in, it's the most comfortable car I've owned. I've also driven a few 7 series and those are of course a step up but even with the poor roads we have in the UK the M5 is amazingly comfortable. Switch it to stiffer settings and it handles well for its size.

I've had a BMW with the ZF 8 speed and I've no issues them switching the dual clutch to that. It's a great transmission and it is smoother for lower speed city driving that's for sure.

Also 4 wheel drive is a great addition at least for the UK where it can be cold / wet quite a lot of the time. Even when it's dry the car can struggle to put all it's power down so it'll make it much more usable more of the time.

The E63S is reported to be even more firm than the C63S. That's a deal breaker as I owned a C63S and that's acceptable but it is in the firm side, even more firm is not good for this class of car. The old E63 was very comfortable so they've ruined that car personally at least for sales in the UK.