135i Oil Cooler?

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by larryn

Good thinking, but I think he's getting a early-production press vehicle though. I don't think anything is getting cleared up until we start getting our cars...

We were talking about it yesterday, and that's not the impression I got. ..but who knows.

It will be an AW 135i, Leather, Sports Pkg, and the Ipod interface.

He did mention that he was going to get it weighed and Dyno'd :thumbup:

[larryn]

Originally Posted by chriskurn

We were talking about it yesterday, and that's not the impression I got. ..but who knows.

It will be an AW 135i, Leather, Sports Pkg, and the Ipod interface.

He did mention that he was going to get it weighed and Dyno'd :thumbup:

That's fantastic that he's getting it weighed and dynoed!! It'll certainly answer some pressing questions.

He posted this in a thread he started about the car:

Originally Posted by bryan@mwerks

Alright guys, don't hate me, but I'm about 10 days away from taking delivery of "my" 135i. I say it that way because I'll have the use of a 135i for a year as a long-term/project vehicle, and I'm getting an early-production press vehicle that we'll be taking away from an upcoming press event. This has been more than a year in the making, and I still can't believe it's actually happening.

I suppose it could be configured exactly as the cars we are getting, it has an oil cooler, and we're getting them too, at least I hope that's the case. An early production press vehicle could mean that it's not like what we'll be getting.

[ChrisK]

I just want my car :iono:

Sitting in the 1er didn't help me. It made it worse. I tried to start the car and drive away, but no key.

[larryn]

Same here, Chris. I got to see one (not touch or sit in it) at the Boston Show two months ago. You're one up on me, having laid hands on the thang...

Won't be much longer though.

[Brandon26pdx]

Originally Posted by Klaus

OK, somewhat confused now.

BMW's schematics on their N54 engine cooling systems is found right in the BMW 2007 Engine Management document. The .pdf to this is stickied right here in this forum.

Hope that linked worked. Anyways, there is no such thing as a second oil cooler. Just examine this document, you can clearly see the components that make up the N54's Coolant System.

Link works. I'm not sure what everyone means either about this "primary" and "secondary" oil cooler business. Whoever started that little gem , please provide a schematic that shows the difference between the two.

[larryn]

Here's a few pics to easily see the difference, now that I figured out you can easily see the feed lines to the external oil cooler. It's not looking good for us.

I think that Hugo might have been told something that was not correct about the oil cooler being behind the radiator. I can't see there being enough room, when you take the fan into account. The 5er may have it there, but the car is a couple feet longer too...

Also, even if it were there on the US (only) 135i, the feed lines are not visible.

Check it out:

[larryn]

Klaus, you are correct. My post was not to confirm a secondary location for the oil cooler, but rather to depict a way to discern external oil cooler equipped cars by opening their hoods.

Hugo spoke to a product "expert" at the Press Day at the Chicago Show who told him that the oil cooler was in a different location for the 135i, which we believe is incorrect.

We are trying to (in)substantiate our fears that our cars will not come with the cooler in any configuration in the US, to save a few pfennig, apparently.

[Brandon26pdx]

Originally Posted by larryn

Here's a few pics to easily see the difference, now that I figured out you can easily see the feed lines to the external oil cooler. It's not looking good for us.

I think that Hugo might have been told something that was not correct about the oil cooler being behind the radiator. I can't see there being enough room, when you take the fan into account. The 5er may have it there, but the car is a couple feet longer too...

Also, even if it were there on the US (only) 135i, the feed lines are not visible.

Check it out:

Ah, didnt know the feed lines were that visible in the engine bay...good pic:thumbup:

Some of the press cars that have been making the rounds at the auto shows have been shown not to have it, but I wouldnt take that too seriously...those are likely pre-production cars. Reassuring I think that actual customer cars delivered in Europe already have been shown to have it.

[larryn]

Klaus, the Detroit car did not have one either. So, if you can find out from your source, so be it, but there are pics and first hand reports in this thread. The Chicago car did not have one either. Both the Detroit and Chicago cars were supposedly a US Spec ZSP 6sp equipped cars.

We are talking about the Chicago car in these pics, as well as Hugo's discussion with the product expert at the Chicago show.

[Advevo]

i was doing 260km on the autobahn today i have the euro spec. It s 7 degree outside. Oil temp went over 120 degrees. My 130i never got that hot.

[larryn]

Originally Posted by Advevo

i was doing 260km on the autobahn today i have the euro spec. It s 7 degree outside. Oil temp went over 120 degrees. My 130i never got that hot.

TEASE!! :wink:

How did the car handle at 160mph???

[FreeBMW.net]

I moonlight as armed security as the NAIAS every year. On one of my midnight shifts I took a break to walk around inside the show area. I can confirm with 100% certainty that the red 135i at the detroit show had the core in the passanger side wheel well & had rubbery cloth wrapped hoses attatched to it where they went I dont know but they ran into the engine bay (i was not going to open the hood). My dealer alos told me that if it does not arrive with a cooler they will install one ( they know how i drive & that its getting a Dinan chip.

[larryn]

They must've swapped the car out then, because the pictures of the 135i at the Detroit Auto show that were posted by ryephile give first hand impressions that the car he saw did not have the oil cooler, as his pictures of the car clearly show.

Why is BMW doing this to us???

[FreeBMW.net]

I dont work the public show, It was during the press days & industry preview that I was there. Last night I worked was the charity preview (i hate wearing a tux). It is not uncommon for BIG changes between the press/ind days to the public show....for example last year MB had a full ice rink in there display with pro ice skaters....during the public show 90% of the ice was covered with carpet...So it could be very possiable to change out displays & cars. The car I saw had the core and hoses. I was not able to open the hood & verify where they went as the car was locked.

[PA135i]

Can't BMWNA confirm if the US Spec 135i's will come with an oil cooler?

[mikeo]

Originally Posted by kja325ci

Can't BMWNA confirm if the US Spec 135i's will come with an oil cooler?

Yes, if you could get to the right person (engineer). Good luck.

[atr_hugo]

Without naming names I can say the BMW rep I talked with at Chicago is responsible for 'Product and Technology Communications'. Since I've used no attributable quotes from that person, I'd prefer to leave the rep unnamed. Some of you may know this person.

[E82tt6]

I'm QUITE sure the car will come with an oil cooler. If it doesn't, you'll have people overheating left and right, not to mention MAJOR car mags test driving the car overheating them, just like they did the 335i.

That would be terrible press for BMW's "reincarnation of the 2002", and I don't think that BMW would let that happen.

[theslik1]

Originally Posted by kja325ci

Can't BMWNA confirm if the US Spec 135i's will come with an oil cooler?

I've now sent two polite emails to BMWNA asking if they would simply state yea or nay if the oil cooler was standard or conditional based on options. Not only haven't they answered, they've never even sent an acknowledgment that they received the emails.

Originally Posted by larryn

Why is BMW doing this to us???

If they're actually doing it, the answer is easy: profit margins.

We can all figure that aftermarket solutions will probably be better than a minimum-spec factory cooler, but it frosts my buns that BMW may try to use the "case-by-case" solution they used with the 335i in order to preserve their precious margins. I certainly hope this isn't the case; if not it begs the question as to why they're being so cagey about it.

I appreciate the effort of atr_hugo to get to the bottom of this, but it may very well be that the rep is getting bum doped by BMWNA.

[asv]

I sent an e-mail to BMW NA as well.

[atr_hugo]

I can confirm there was no oil cooler in the passenger wheel well of the 135i Coupe on the floor in Chicago (and I checked every day ; -).

[Brandon26pdx]

Someone on E90 brought up an interesting theory about whether or not the car gets the cooler: if the car is a "155mph" top speed model. (has the increased top speed govenor in other words.)

This theory very well could hold water. 08 335xi coupes with the sport package suposedly dont get the oil cooler unless they get the optional 18" wheels. The 18" wheels come with the speed rated tires, which means the car has the 155 mph top speed limiter, which equals, maybe, oil cooler.

This actually make a bit of sense. I'm not physics major or anything, but up past 120 mph wind resistance becomes a major limiting factor that is not of real concern at say, 70 mph. The car begins to have to work significantly harder to maintain speed in that mph range, which could easily overheat a powerful engine with marginal cooling capacity. (Thats what the N54 is...a powerful engine with marginal cooling capacities.)

Now, I'm bored with this topic.