[No Boost]

Originally Posted by solstice

I wouldn’t track it but if it has more the E60 and earlier generations agility and fun factor it’s a good thing that they make it. Hopefully most M5 target customers are reflected in this thread and will shun it as happened with the M3CS and those of us missing the agility and steering etc. of the E series can pick one up at a discount.

I doubt it though. The sheer savagery of it will likely find enough msrp buyers.

Mmmm...E60...S85....stiffy

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by solstice

It's quite interesting that we got an M5cs before an M8cs. Maybe an M8 CSL is coming
The reason is probably an attempt to own the ring record for production sedans. Much tougher goal for coupes...

I'm no race car driver but I track occasionally and my M8 would be the last car I would track.

Sure it might be fast for a few laps but all that weight pays a huge toll on brakes and tires and suspension components.

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by sharocks

But why?

Really why? Who tracks an M5? If you have the money to track a brand new M5 I would hope you'd have the brains and money to spend on a better track car.

thank god i wasn't the only one thinking this.


150lbs weight savings, wow.. congrats. It's still a boat. I'm sure a couple morons can't wait to drop 160k or whatever it is this thing is gonna cost.

[MacOSR]

If it comes stock with the carbon gas cap I'm in

[Sublime00]

Originally Posted by No Boost

All this talk about the M5 not being a track car so why produce a CS iteration? Historically, CS may have been geared towards circuit usage. Is that still the case? Or, is it just a way to take an Autobahn missle, shed some weight, add a few ponies and slap an astronomical price tag on it?

I think BMW is trying to compete w/ MB and Porsche and maybe they felt they needed to make this car just to have it in their lineup. Kinda like how Lexus will keep making the LS to compete w/ the S class or 7 series.

I just don't think people want to pay this much for a BMW. If they really wanted to sell this thing they should have undercut the competition by 20%, not have this car's MSRP be anywhere near $150k. I guess BMW hasn't learned (or doesn't care) from the M8 or the i8 sales.

That's why the m2 and m3/M4 do relatively well bc they've cornered the market at that price point, esp with a manual RWD option, which other manufacturers don't offer, and which brings in new buyers who wouldn't necessarily have considered a BMW (I fall in this category).

This is just my opinion, which should be obvious. But I'll add the disclaimer before some fucktard makes a myopic comment about how I should be the CEO of BMW, in a weak attempt to be clever. Fail broheme.

[BimmerMat135]

I am probably wrong but could the weight saving be done by making it RWD? That could be an easy way to lose a 150lbs.

[Epoustouflant]

Originally Posted by swagon

Right, I don't know why people are so worked up about this thing. This thing is basically the extreme M enthusiast's dream - much like the many special versions of the E34 M5, or the new M2 CS. This is car represents what M GmbH should really be about.

And so what if it "only" 635 horses and costs? Who cares. Very few can take this car to its limits on a race track, and life is not all about straight line speeds. The weight reduction is what matters more.

FWIW, Auto Bild drove the M5 CS prototype around Lausitzring quicker than a 991.1 GT3, still half a sec slower than M8C, though.

This car got me excited more than the G80.

The car BMW should have produced is the M5 E60 CSL. That sported a stroked 5.5L V10 with revamped intake system, DCT transmission, carbon roof and weight optimized interior. That felt like an extreme engineering exercise. At the very least these advances made it to the E92 M3 GTS.

The M5 CS has little extreme about it; it's a interior & exterior pack with a mild tune and fancy, outsourced wheels; where's the engineering?

Our standards have visibly been lowered over the years with recent disappointments.

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

The M5CS will easily exceed $150k USD. Ridiculous price point and it was recently stated that it's track time was still slower than an M8 Competition.

Sure it will be cool, but this car is only intended for those who have the money to buy such a car and store it in a garage. No one will actually drive this car on the daily.

Given that, the next gen G90 M5 in its base form will still be faster than the M5CS and will cost less.

But I'm still glad they are developing such a car as the M5CS as it has never been done by M Division before, and I think there can never be enough M5 love in this world. I'll take all we can get. Especially before things go full electric in the not so far future.

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote here. But, I hope to prove you wrong on a few points.

I've got the first allocation slot at my local dealership (got on the list a few years ago when this car was just a rumor). When I get it, I will daily drive it. It will also see time on the track.

But, for pretty much everyone else who isn't like me, I really don't think this car will sell well at all. I foresee the same problems they had with the M3CS. I got an amazing deal on it because it had been on the lot for nearly 6 months. Having the car has proven, to me, that it is everything I wanted in an M3 (except comfort access. I really do want that).

I know the M5CS doesn't make the most sense, but I want it.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

I am probably wrong but could the weight saving be done by making it RWD? That could be an easy way to lose a 150lbs.

Probably they could, but I don't believe it would be much easier. I read about some CF panels, seats, forged wheels and brakes. That's all much less invasive than converting AWD to RWD.

The stuff they did, you probably could have in an affordable after market kit also, but now the guarantee is not voided.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote here. But, I hope to prove you wrong on a few points.

I've got the first allocation slot at my local dealership (got on the list a few years ago when this car was just a rumor). When I get it, I will daily drive it. It will also see time on the track.

But, for pretty much everyone else who isn't like me, I really don't think this car will sell well at all. I foresee the same problems they had with the M3CS. I got an amazing deal on it because it had been on the lot for nearly 6 months. Having the car has proven, to me, that it is everything I wanted in an M3 (except comfort access. I really do want that).

I know the M5CS doesn't make the most sense, but I want it.

Allow me to ventilate that I don't understand any of your arguments to buy it. I do hope it's the perfect machine for you though!

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

What's next the X5Mcs?

X8Mcs

[vladberca]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Really? Slower than the e63s and RS6? I don't think so, the CP is already faster, this CS will be the lightest and most powerful of the 3, odd post.

Slower than GT 63 S and the new Panny Turbo S, both being equipped with Cup 2 tyres.
Preproduction M5 CS with Corsas was around 1 sec slower on Hockenheim GP track, according to Sport Auto Magazine.

Just check on YT the specific lap times.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote here. But, I hope to prove you wrong on a few points.

I've got the first allocation slot at my local dealership (got on the list a few years ago when this car was just a rumor). When I get it, I will daily drive it. It will also see time on the track.

But, for pretty much everyone else who isn't like me, I really don't think this car will sell well at all. I foresee the same problems they had with the M3CS. I got an amazing deal on it because it had been on the lot for nearly 6 months. Having the car has proven, to me, that it is everything I wanted in an M3 (except comfort access. I really do want that).

I know the M5CS doesn't make the most sense, but I want it.

Dear, the mystery to me was revealed in your signature! You're NASA HPDE!!

Indeed, not a typical customer, even not for these kind of cars. Without wanting to be arrogant, but I believe I can understand that you search the best set-up and balance you can get in any car while it has to remain a daily usable vehicle also.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by vladberca

Slower than GT 63 S and the new Panny Turbo S, both being equipped with Cup 2 tyres.
Preproduction M5 CS with Corsas was around 1 sec slower on Hockenheim GP track, according to Sport Auto Magazine.

Just check on YT the specific lap times.

I doubt that’s the last word here. The big price is Nordschleife and I very much suspect the Panny’s 7:29 is in jeopardy from the production car.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by solstice

I doubt that’s the last word here. The big price is Nordschleife and I very much suspect the Panny’s 7:29 is in jeopardy from the production car.

I agree, and though the relevance of 626hp or 650hp has been challenged here before. On the Nordschleife, every HP counts! The brakes and the "unsprung" weight become all of sudden very relevant also.

Solstice, I guess you revealed the hidden agenda!!

[Al Pinã]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Or at least 650ish

BMW always underrates their engines, so the figure you mention is probably close to what it's putting out.

[verdao]

I can't wait to purchase these wheels for my FE. It's going to look awesome. I always wondered how the Comp wheels looked painted in the right color gold. Thanks BMW, I can't wait!

[AHall]

We know very little about the car at this point. Yet 90% of the speculation here is negative. Maybe it solves the few shortcomings of the M5 Competition. Maybe it has steering feel that will epic. It could be the greatest car in the history of four wheels and haters still going to hate.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

And people will still buy it. If people are indeed willing to buy the Panamera Turbo S for 180+k, they might also consider an M5 CS for 150.

..these crazy prices are almost irrelevant to the leasing crowd, in many ways the extreme prices are the result of historical leasing i'd gamble.

[KINY3RA]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Yellow headlights are the actual highlight.

What you did there...............

[Greer]

Originally Posted by AHall

We know very little about the car at this point. Yet 90% of the speculation here is negative. Maybe it solves the few shortcomings of the M5 Competition. Maybe it has steering feel that will epic. It could be the greatest car in the history of four wheels and haters still going to hate.

Yes, let's wait for the car to come out before we all pass judgment.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

To keep it short, M5 is not a "track car" and no one buys an M5 to track it. You can make it lighter but you can't make the long wheelbase any shorter. M5 buyers do, however, care about the performance and acceleration numbers. Additional 50 hp are absolutely noticeable on the road.

The car is already absurdly fast, going up against exotics in a big sedan form. 50 HP would be like peeing in the ocean on a car like this. I like the idea of weight savings that may help the car feel more nimble. The M5 does not need more power.