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      09-27-2020, 01:35 AM   #45
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I don't get the heavy push for PPF'ing the whole vehicle . It reminds me of my grandmother keeping plastic covers on her nice sofa to protect the fabric. No matter how high quality the PPF it still looks artificial, lacks the luster and shine of the original paint, and eventually starts to peel at the edges. I speak from experience because I have my M5 coated with PPF along the leading edge of the hood and the front bumper, and after 19 months I can definitely tell where water is getting under the edges. And it's not a case of "bad installer." Take your lickin' with chips and small scratches, I say, and get a new car every 3 years.

Most of us do not get full PPF, just the front end of the car. i.e. bumper, headlights, hood, fenders, side mirrors. In my case, I also did the rocker panels.

Also, the better PPF installers will do wrapped edges on all the panels, so there won't be any edges to collect dirt or visible peeling. This does require some extra time and care because some parts have to be removed like the emblems and fender side grills.
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      09-29-2020, 09:29 AM   #46
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Totally understand ceramic has zero to do with protection. But a paint correction plus ceramic and I am finding slight swirls and scratches tells me the factory paint/clear coat is thin. I lease and have no intent on putting pff on a car I do not own, I equate that to putting money down on a lease you never get the value. My f10 m5, e90 m3 and both E46 m3s never had this issue and none of them had pff either. Hands down the paint on the m5 is garbage for the cost of the car.
The value is not having rock chips... 6 month old 2020 M5C that I did get PPF for and not one rock chip. The PPF has taken some incoming though. So question for you is, are you going to get the chips repaired or not because it would annoy the shit out of me to not repair the chips. If the repair costs less than the PPF then you won, otherwise, you're out of pocket...

But your call. I never got PPF on a lease until I saw the damage to the 17 X5M I was turning in off lease. Now I won' go without PPF.
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      09-29-2020, 11:05 AM   #47
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I had my M5C ceramic coated right after delivery although I didn't want to spring for PPF on a lease...

The car is covered in chips and scratches from road debris after 6 months or so, I've never seen anything like it. My girlfriends $40K VW doesn't have a scratch on it!

I feel like opening a complaint with BMWUSA. The quality of the paint is just way below an acceptable standard. I've never had a car, or motorcycle, lose paint like this. It's roughly the quality of Krylon spray paint. It looks beautiful but damn...what good is it if it can't handle even basic use?

Is everyone having this issue?
Yes.
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      09-29-2020, 01:27 PM   #48
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I collected my showroom car with 23 miles on it. However, it must have been sat in the showroom for a LONG time enduring regular dry detailing because it was a swirl fest. The same sort of damage you would expect after 10k miles of poor washing. Also, 600 miles in and already a number of visible stone chips on the front bumper.

The paint is soft but no softer than any other BMW or Audi I have owned over the years. I think this is characteristic of modern water-based paints. As others have said, the only solution is PPF. I can live with it.

What is unacceptable, however, is the quality of finish inside the engine bay. I have never seen anything like it in my 25 years of owning and working on vehicles. Sure, it's an engine bay and mostly out of sight but it looks like it was sprayed in a desert during a sandstorm.

See below. All those bits and imperfections are under the paint. Seriously, it is that bad and looks even worse in person. If I was buying used I would be concerned that it was accident repaired and resprayed by a idiot.
My Feb 2019 Donnington grey Comp is same under the bonnet/hood. Looks like it's had a bad respray.
But the exterior finish is pretty flawless, well apart from all the stone chips and rash on the lower front wings and sills from the fat tyres ;(
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      09-29-2020, 02:16 PM   #49
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My Feb 2019 Donnington grey Comp is same under the bonnet/hood. Looks like it's had a bad respray.
But the exterior finish is pretty flawless, well apart from all the stone chips and rash on the lower front wings and sills from the fat tyres ;(
Yea the panels that get hit by debris and rock chips the most are the front bumper and the lower part of the front doors that get hit by shit flying up from the front wheels. The hood is surprisingly flawless though.
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What tires are you guys running? The paint is soft but the P Zeros are horrid with kicking up rocks and chipping. I haven't had this issue with any other tire on there. I'd bet most of you experiencing this have the P Zeros.
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What tires are you guys running? The paint is soft but the P Zeros are horrid with kicking up rocks and chipping. I haven't had this issue with any other tire on there. I'd bet most of you experiencing this have the P Zeros.
I have the MPS4S
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What tires are you guys running? The paint is soft but the P Zeros are horrid with kicking up rocks and chipping. I haven't had this issue with any other tire on there. I'd bet most of you experiencing this have the P Zeros.
P Zero. No rock chips for me in 6000 miles. But I do have PPF on my rocker panels.
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P Zero. No rock chips for me in 6000 miles. But I do have PPF on my rocker panels.
Same, but no PPF. No rock chips at all on the car anywhere at 5,000 miles.

People need to realize that the rocks they hear rattling around are almost entirely on the inside of the wheel well, not the exterior paint of the car. I've run PZeros on multiple BMWs, Audis and Porsches, all with wide tires, and never had any issues with rock chips. I drove literally 15 miles on a road strewn with fresh gravel in a Carrera S with 305 PZeros on the back listening to the cacophony of rock noise for 20 minutes and still a had zero chips or marks on the exterior paint.
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I collected my showroom car with 23 miles on it. However, it must have been sat in the showroom for a LONG time enduring regular dry detailing because it was a swirl fest. The same sort of damage you would expect after 10k miles of poor washing. Also, 600 miles in and already a number of visible stone chips on the front bumper.

The paint is soft but no softer than any other BMW or Audi I have owned over the years. I think this is characteristic of modern water-based paints. As others have said, the only solution is PPF. I can live with it.

What is unacceptable, however, is the quality of finish inside the engine bay. I have never seen anything like it in my 25 years of owning and working on vehicles. Sure, it's an engine bay and mostly out of sight but it looks like it was sprayed in a desert during a sandstorm.

See below. All those bits and imperfections are under the paint. Seriously, it is that bad and looks even worse in person. If I was buying used I would be concerned that it was accident repaired and resprayed by a idiot.
Exactly what I was thinking!!!! I noticed this shit during my european delivery when they opened the hood! It was such an eye sore and almost ruined the whole experience! Bmw better get their shit together with quality control...
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Totally understand ceramic has zero to do with protection. But a paint correction plus ceramic and I am finding slight swirls and scratches tells me the factory paint/clear coat is thin. I lease and have no intent on putting pff on a car I do not own, I equate that to putting money down on a lease you never get the value. My f10 m5, e90 m3 and both E46 m3s never had this issue and none of them had pff either. Hands down the paint on the m5 is garbage for the cost of the car.
I have CC on my lease too, wash every week and have zero swirls. What CC did you go with?

I only have 1 minor chip that you'd have to know where it is to notice it. I live in the desert so small rocks on roads are abundant. I am very happy with the paint.
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Exactly what I was thinking!!!! I noticed this shit during my european delivery when they opened the hood! It was such an eye sore and almost ruined the whole experience! Bmw better get their shit together with quality control...




the clear under the hood is odd. some bmw's have literally overspray, and on my brothers m4 heritage, it is full gloss. You open the engine bay and it's fucking gorgeous. That being said, bmw is all about volume, can't expect minor things like these to be consistent.
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I collected my showroom car with 23 miles on it. However, it must have been sat in the showroom for a LONG time enduring regular dry detailing because it was a swirl fest. The same sort of damage you would expect after 10k miles of poor washing. Also, 600 miles in and already a number of visible stone chips on the front bumper.

The paint is soft but no softer than any other BMW or Audi I have owned over the years. I think this is characteristic of modern water-based paints. As others have said, the only solution is PPF. I can live with it.

What is unacceptable, however, is the quality of finish inside the engine bay. I have never seen anything like it in my 25 years of owning and working on vehicles. Sure, it's an engine bay and mostly out of sight but it looks like it was sprayed in a desert during a sandstorm.

See below. All those bits and imperfections are under the paint. Seriously, it is that bad and looks even worse in person. If I was buying used I would be concerned that it was accident repaired and resprayed by a idiot.
That is obviously a factory know problem. I have Aug 22 produced adventurine red with exactly the same problem. Suprisinly it is only on the left suspension tower.
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Any car forum you go to you will see people with this same complaint. Unfortunately the current paints used by any manufacturer are not as durable as the paints used in the past.

As others have said you can use PPF to provide paint protection or have some Dr. ColorChip handy to fix the rock chips you will get.
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lol ceramic coating has nothing to do with protecting from rock chips, that is PPF.
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That is obviously a factory know problem. I have Aug 22 produced adventurine red with exactly the same problem. Suprisinly it is only on the left suspension tower.
Correction: the right suspension tower.
And on top I discovered that the car has orange peel over the entire body...
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LOL ceramic coating doesn't protect against chips. PPF first and then ceramic coating on it.
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Looking at how bmwusa is dealing with the coolant expansion tanks, they really wont give 2 shots about the paint
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When I got my new 2018 F80 I did not PPF it. Somehow it survived 1500 miles of ED driving in Europe and came up in very good shape. The moment I started driving it in the US, and particularly in the highway in the US (Boston area), I started to notice it. I PPF ed it as soon as I saw this to stop the damage since I thought I'd keep the car forever.

But I learned my lesson. Since then, I have PPF'd (at least full front) every new car I care about. Luckily, my new-to-me F90 came with full PPF from the prior owner, but I would have at least done full front on whatever F90 I would have bought. It sucks to have to spend the money, but it is the only way to be "free."
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F90 m5 is known to get all chipped up behind the front tires on the fender and even on part of the front doors. Mine has 13k miles and it’s not so bad but getting there. Luckily it’s donnington gray so it hides it. Gonna let it get a bit worse then have a legit shop repray those corners. I advise everyone to get the little carbon mudflaps from autotechnik. I bought them but it’s too late. Once I get it fixed I will put them on. It will get even worse if u go wider than 275 in the front. Tires are soft everything sticks to them and gets released into the side of the car lol. Sucks.
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I had PPF put on the hood and I'm glad. I have a few darker marks on the PPF which looks like it is where it self healed. At least that's what I want to think those marks are. For some reason in Las Vegas, the street sweepers haven't come out yet. There are a couple of roads I drive down that sound like I'm driving on a dried up river bed.
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My 21 Lci has been great just one little chip on the hood that’s expected to especially when driving in the winter.
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