[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

dumb question on my end but what is stock boost on your 2020? i'm trying to figure out how much of your tuning success is just "throw another 4-5lb of boost at the platform with a little extra fuel/timing and call it a day"

I'm not a tuner so I can't give you good answers on the TCU tune other than smoother/quicker shifts and more torque.

Stock boost maxes at 20lbs for the most part from what I can tell but don't quote me on that.

"throw another 4-5lb of boost at the platform with a little extra fuel/timing and call it a day" I think it depends on the tuner and how aggressive the tune is. There is many more areas that you can tap into and change and still keep all the protection tables in tact.

Just to a name a few: load limit, load request, torque request, torque limit, throttle, optimum timing, exxentric timing, outlet timing, lambda, inlet vanos, outlet vanos, fuel trims, wastegate settings and many more.

But, yes I'm sure you can get away with just throwing some boost/fuel/timing and make a tune but it won't be as efficient and a smooth for daily driving

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

dumb question on my end but what is stock boost on your 2020? i'm trying to figure out how much of your tuning success is just "throw another 4-5lb of boost at the platform with a little extra fuel/timing and call it a day"

What mods do you have?

Stock boost on 2020s is no different than on 2019s—I compared them back to back with the same JB4. Performance, however, doesn't seem the same but I'm only comparing my 2 F90s so hardly statistically relevant.

[prodigymb]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

Been playing with Evolve tune and gave it a 1/4 mile run tonight. Not bad considering the DA. I didn't think it would be this fast so I held the launch longer than I should have and got a weak 60ft and 0-60 of 2.58 from too much spin

60-130 was kinda slow for 10.1 run at 6.69 but the 1/8th mile made up for it at 6.54 (that's flying, considering my start)

I'll try again in a couple days with some better weather and not on 3/4 tank of fuel. Might be able to crack 9's with it.

your evolve tune seems very similar in power to what i am running. im not sure it can dip into 9s with this trap, i think it needs that 138-139 power level. how do you like their tune vs the DME?

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by prodigymb

your evolve tune seems very similar in power to what i am running. im not sure it can dip into 9s with this trap, i think it needs that 138-139 power level. how do you like their tune vs the DME?

Yea, trap was pretty weak for sure, some of it had to do with a good 1/8th mile though. Slower 1/8 means longer second half to get trap up. It will be really hard for sure but we shall see.

They are both different, the DME tune I used was more of a stage1 tune and the other one was an E30 tune so it's hard to compare stg2 vs stg2.

So far for a daily though, this Evolve stage2 tune is very smooth, no hesitation and obviously fast. DME is making a new stage2 that I will be trying out hopefully soon too and eventually HCP's stuff if BM3 ever comes to fruition :P

[MuffinFlavored]

dumb question but is anybody running full e85 on this engine yet or are we waiting for upgraded fuel pumps? or is it not even possible/worth doing?

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

dumb question but is anybody running full e85 on this engine yet or are we waiting for upgraded fuel pumps? or is it not even possible/worth doing?

I think it's more of an injector issue. Anything over E30 or over would probably need meth if you don't have bigger injectors.

Honestly E85 straight is a pain and will eat up fuel lines and everything else if you let it sit. I had bad experiences with it on a past car and absolutely hate it.

[MuffinFlavored]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

I think it's more of an injector issue. Anything over E30 or over would probably need meth if you don't have bigger injectors.

Honestly E85 straight is a pain and will eat up fuel lines and everything else if you let it sit. I had bad experiences with it on a past car and absolutely hate it.

i wasn’t quite sure how injectors worked in this context (are they upgradable) because these engines are direct injection

i thought that stuff about e85 eating fuel lines was an old myth. how long ago did you run a car that was 100% e85?

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

i wasn’t quite sure how injectors worked in this context (are they upgradable) because these engines are direct injection

i thought that stuff about e85 eating fuel lines was an old myth. how long ago did you run a car that was 100% e85?

I had it for a couple of years and I had to replace fuel lines twice. What a joke it was. At the time I had multiple cars and it would sit for 3-4 weeks at a time as it wasn't one of my dailys. If you let that fuel sit it just goes to town on everything.

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

I had it for a couple of years and I had to replace fuel lines twice. What a joke it was. At the time I had multiple cars and it would sit for 3-4 weeks at a time as it wasn't one of my dailys. If you let that fuel sit it just goes to town on everything.

Killer ! Times ?

[prodigymb]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

Yea, trap was pretty weak for sure, some of it had to do with a good 1/8th mile though. Slower 1/8 means longer second half to get trap up. It will be really hard for sure but we shall see.

They are both different, the DME tune I used was more of a stage1 tune and the other one was an E30 tune so it's hard to compare stg2 vs stg2.

So far for a daily though, this Evolve stage2 tune is very smooth, no hesitation and obviously fast. DME is making a new stage2 that I will be trying out hopefully soon too and eventually HCP's stuff if BM3 ever comes to fruition :P

DME Stage 1 trapping 138?

When I went to Atco last weekend there was a DME stage 2 flat black car that was running wayyy slower than me. So you have a strong stage 1++

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by prodigymb

DME Stage 1 trapping 138?

When I went to Atco last weekend there was a DME stage 2 flat black car that was running wayyy slower than me. So you have a strong stage 1++

I never said it was DME stage1 did I? Pretty sure I said it was an E30 tune.

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

Killer ! Times ?

That piece of shit was fast as hell but something broke every time I drove it.. lol I never took it to a drag strip and Dragy wasn't a thing yet. I took it to some road courses though.. of course without NOS turned on :P

[prodigymb]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

I never said it was DME stage1 did I? Pretty sure I said it was an E30 tune.

both ... i focused on the first part of the sentence. but i follow now, u have both and E30 is faster one.

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

They are both different, the DME tune I used was more of a stage1 tune and the other one was an E30 tune so it's hard to compare stg2 vs stg2.

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by prodigymb

both ... i focused on the first part of the sentence. but i follow now, u have both and E30 is faster one.

Gotcha, I was looking at the original post.

[MuffinFlavored]

i see the hype has died down a bit, but something this exciting deserves more attention in my opinion.

what are your plans going forward? i know you said you've gone about as far as you'd like to and that you actually daily a different map.

i see that your 60-130mph during the record run was about 6s. when you are on your regular daily map, what is your 60-130? would you mind doing some runs to see what it is that you reproduce? or would you feel comfortable just guessing. i'm going to guess it'll be in the 6.2s-6.5s range, but i wasn't sure how easily you can "recreate" that? is it 100% of the time?

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored

i see the hype has died down a bit, but something this exciting deserves more attention in my opinion.

what are your plans going forward? i know you said you've gone about as far as you'd like to and that you actually daily a different map.

i see that your 60-130mph during the record run was about 6s. when you are on your regular daily map, what is your 60-130? would you mind doing some runs to see what it is that you reproduce? or would you feel comfortable just guessing. i'm going to guess it'll be in the 6.2s-6.5s range, but i wasn't sure how easily you can "recreate" that? is it 100% of the time?

Thanks bud!
On normal stage 2 tunes with my shitty DA I run from 6.4 to 6.9 depending on conditions and the tune.

[prodigymb]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

Thanks bud!
On normal stage 2 tunes with my shitty DA I run from 6.4 to 6.9 depending on conditions and the tune.

same tune. what is the difference in your car's 60-130 from a roll and from a stop.

mine is always slower from a stop.

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by prodigymb

same tune. what is the difference in your car's 60-130 from a roll and from a stop.

mine is always slower from a stop.

Yes, I agree that mine is always slower from a stop but in this last run it wasn't so.

I think what happens is the IATs go up and when they go up the car adjust boost down as you go. So if you start from a dig they go up sooner in the run and by the time you hit the middle of your 60-130 the car is backing down a little.

[prodigymb]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

Yes, I agree that mine is always slower from a stop but in this last run it wasn't so.

I think what happens is the IATs go up and when they go up the car adjust boost down as you go. So if you start from a dig they go up sooner in the run and by the time you hit the middle of your 60-130 the car is backing down a little.

logical thinking. in my case that doesn't seem to be it tho, since it super cold here my IATs are lowww.

[Hockeytyme]

Originally Posted by prodigymb

logical thinking. in my case that doesn't seem to be it tho, since it super cold here my IATs are lowww.

Well, there goes that theory

[onfireX5]

Speed to speed metrics are iffy at best. Mine have been all over the board Momentum , etc plays a big role. I've had great time to distance numbers with bad speed to speed and vice versa...i don't really look at them anymore...I've often wondered if Dragy and Vbox themselves are that precise with Sat data on speed to speed since that is much tougher to measure vs a 0 mph to distance/speed.

[FloridaM5]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

Yes, I agree that mine is always slower from a stop but in this last run it wasn't so.

I think what happens is the IATs go up and when they go up the car adjust boost down as you go. So if you start from a dig they go up sooner in the run and by the time you hit the middle of your 60-130 the car is backing down a little.

Also not sure on the reason, but on a quarter mile run, as soon as the shift to 4th gear happens, dme boost target drops and the cars stops adding fuel (still will run 10.2-10.3 at 136-7, but feels like leaving some on the table). Lots of logs showing this behavior. 60-130 runs dont see this happen.