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      07-19-2021, 07:56 AM   #1
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F90 M5 "Late" run in service ok?

Hi guys.


I'm planning on buying a certified 2020 F90 M5 this week and wanted to ask you for an opinion.

I saw the service record, and it shows that the run-in service was done at 6200miles, instead of the proper 1200miles.

Do you think this late run-in service could possibly damage internals?

I heard that initial engine oil had some abrasive property, which I'm not sure if it's true or not.

Bit worried about long term effects of this.


Thanks.


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      07-19-2021, 08:45 AM   #2
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Hi,

5000 miles over is quite a significative difference!

BMW uses a special oil while the engine is in the break-in period, I would be afraid that small metal particles stayed in the engine for 6200 miles.

I wouldn't consider buying this car.

The other services were done at the right mileage ?
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      07-19-2021, 10:05 AM   #3
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i'd be surprised if that car is "certified"... being that late on initial service. dont buy it.
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      07-19-2021, 10:24 AM   #4
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BMW must not think it matters if it certified the car with the late initial service. But BMW CPO does not do much anymore — used to add 2 years to the warranty and now adds only 1 year. Failure to service creates issues that show up much further down the road.
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      07-19-2021, 10:27 AM   #5
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AVOID simple as that, RIS should be done within 1200/1400 miles no more.
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      07-19-2021, 10:53 AM   #6
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Unless they have forgotten to load the run in service onto the I Drive ?, is this where you have seen the service record ?. If its that late, seriously, walk away.
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Yeahhhh, agree with everybody else here. Pass. There’s at least one story here on the board of BMW telling one guy they wouldn’t certify his F90 for going like a couple thousand over 1200 on break-in, so if that was true, then I have a hard time believing that they would certify one at 5000+!
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Another vote to pass. Unless they're heavily discounting and you're using the discount to cover an extended powertrain warranty for the duration you intend to own it.
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      07-19-2021, 11:17 AM   #9
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As mentioned, if it was completed but not added to iDrive, fair enough, that can be solved.

Most of us only show that mileage on our first service after a year!

What is the age of the car and current mileage?
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As mentioned, if it was completed but not added to iDrive, fair enough, that can be solved.

Most of us only show that mileage on our first service after a year!

What is the age of the car and current mileage?

The car is in mint condition.
2020 MY model with 12500miles on it now.
Oil change (runin) was done at 6250miles.
The record is from the service center.

So since the oil change, about 6000 miles driven mildly, without any oil level change.

I'm about to pull the trigger on this, as the car is very new oil consumption is very low if any.
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As mentioned, if it was completed but not added to iDrive, fair enough, that can be solved.

Most of us only show that mileage on our first service after a year!

What is the age of the car and current mileage?

The car is in mint condition.
2020 MY model with 12500miles on it now.
Oil change (runin) was done at 6250miles.
The record is from the service center.

So since the oil change, about 6000 miles driven mildly, without any oil level change.

I'm about to pull the trigger on this, as the car is very new oil consumption is very low if any.
Out of curiosity.. what kind of forum response would have made you pass on the car? Pretty much everyone said "hell no". 😳
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Out of curiosity.. what kind of forum response would have made you pass on the car? Pretty much everyone said "hell no". 😳
Yeah I know...everyone is saying hell no, but does not have strong argument except it's bad for the car.

I guess I wanted more information and use cases where late run-in service resulted bad long term out come or other horror stories.

I'm going to test drive it throughly before pulling the trigger.
I'm finding out that factory oil does NOT contain anything special such as abrasive materials.
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Yeah I know...everyone is saying hell no, but does not have strong argument except it's bad for the car.

I guess I wanted more information and use cases where late run-in service resulted bad long term out come or other horror stories.

I'm going to test drive it throughly before pulling the trigger.
I'm finding out that factory oil does NOT contain anything special such as abrasive materials.
I think the thread most people think of and likely referred to above is this fiasco:

https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1740257

In the end (you can see it toward end of page 6) he did get his issue covered under warranty but it was a mess. Note -- they denied his warranty [initially and for some time after] because his break-in service was 1000 miles late.. vs say nearly 5000.
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Yeah I know...everyone is saying hell no, but does not have strong argument except it's bad for the car.

I guess I wanted more information and use cases where late run-in service resulted bad long term out come or other horror stories.

I'm going to test drive it throughly before pulling the trigger.
I'm finding out that factory oil does NOT contain anything special such as abrasive materials.
I think the thread most people think of and likely referred to above is this fiasco:

https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1740257

In the end (you can see it toward end of page 6) he did get his issue covered under warranty but it was a mess. Note -- they denied his warranty [initially and for some time after] because his break-in service was 1000 miles late.. vs say nearly 5000.
Exactly the thread I was thinking.

One of my oil changes was late, and the service department warned me that if I have an engine failure, they will likely not cover anything.

Thankfully i have proof that I change oil from Indy shop every 5k KM, and I was just avoiding dealer unless a recall. And was asking the Indy shop not to reset anything.

But yeah I'd defiantly pass on a vehicle like that. Unless you are planning to tune anyways and warranty will be void regardless.
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I just picked mine up and the said only the brakes are checked at 2000 km and nothing else is done?
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Agree with all the above.
It also reflects poorly on the previous owner and how much he cared about his car.
Walk away and find another one.
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If it was a UK car, such a late RiS would annul the warranty.
I'm surprised its not the same in the USA.
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Out of curiosity.. what kind of forum response would have made you pass on the car? Pretty much everyone said "hell no". 😳
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Hi guys.


I'm planning on buying a certified 2020 F90 M5 this week and wanted to ask you for an opinion.

I saw the service record, and it shows that the run-in service was done at 6200miles, instead of the proper 1200miles.

Do you think this late run-in service could possibly damage internals?

I heard that initial engine oil had some abrasive property, which I'm not sure if it's true or not.

Bit worried about long term effects of this.


Thanks.


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I purchased an M4 years ago with 4K miles. The original owner missed the oil change by 2k miles and the dealer did inform me that the car could not be certified. This was reflected in the price to me. While everything was perfect while I owned the car…the red flag with the service dept and ultimately the hit I took on resale was not worth it.

There are so many of these cars out there. Be patient and get one that won't leave you wondering about a bunch of unknowns. Buying a car is already stressful enough…
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The car is in mint condition.
2020 MY model with 12500miles on it now.
Oil change (runin) was done at 6250miles.
The record is from the service center.

So since the oil change, about 6000 miles driven mildly, without any oil level change.

I'm about to pull the trigger on this, as the car is very new oil consumption is very low if any.
None of the issues that may present themselves from the lack of RIS are going to present themselves in your test drive no matter how hard you drive it. These are most likely going to be issues you run into down the road. Everybody is telling you to run, there’s no reason to be stubborn when people just don’t want to see you get screwed. There are other cars out there that the owners actually took care of.
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The car I bought missed the service, got it done at 3,200. The dealer informed me and it was reflected in the price. I knew I was going to only have it for 3-4 years and I knew I was going to mod it.
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If the first service has been done, and just not loaded onto the I Drive, thats no problem, but if it hasnt been completed, you must walk away, and find another. If your engine or Gearbox goes pop, you will be as sick as a dog, honestly.
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