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      11-10-2020, 05:31 PM   #23
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Wonder when we will reach the limits of how fast cars can be. Already reaching illegal speeds in the blink of an eye

How soon until we get below 2-seconds?
I've been thinking the same. how do future generations improve on what we have? besides handling, straight line speed is definitely in it's way to a plateau in a few years
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2020 m5 has that update too
lemetier told before that the ZF8HP76 replaced the 75 during production 09/2019 already.
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My 2020 was substantially faster than my '19 so this is just more evidence. I ran a 2.92s stock and 2.57s with a JB4 on pump gas. Stock tires had to go to get these numbers.
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I've been thinking the same. how do future generations improve on what we have? besides handling, straight line speed is definitely in it's way to a plateau in a few years
I believe there is some margin still left to grow.

The Tesla S performance came out of nothing to do this 0-62 in something like 2.6 seconds, no? The plaid platform is to be released in a year or so, moving the bar again to +1000hp bringing the sprint down to 2.2s. The Taycan is also a pure beast!

Because of the extreme low center or gravity, vehicle dynamics are also to be expected class leading. Next gen m5 will also come as a full EV probably with near to 1000hp (source: car magazine).
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I've been thinking the same. how do future generations improve on what we have? besides handling, straight line speed is definitely in it's way to a plateau in a few years
I believe there is some margin still left to grow.

The Tesla S performance came out of nothing to do this 0-62 in something like 2.6 seconds, no? The plaid platform is to be released in a year or so, moving the bar again to +1000hp bringing the sprint down to 2.2s. The Taycan is also a pure beast!

Because of the extreme low center or gravity, vehicle dynamics are also to be expected class leading. Next gen m5 will also come as a full EV probably with near to 1000hp (source: car magazine).
There's still the Tesla Roadster that Elon claims will hit 60 in 1.9s, but who knows if we'll ever see it
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Can't wait till lightly used ones hit the market I'm definitely picking one up
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      11-10-2020, 09:40 PM   #32
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Wow...that's very fast for such a big car. I like the LCI front, it looks even better in person.

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I'm probably in the minority, but I would actually like to see an electrified M5. Not full on EV, however the combination of ICE and Electric. Something similar to Mercedes' 53-Series AMG products could be really interesting. I would love to see BMW adopt something similar whether it be paired to a V8 or I6, I think it could be awesome and really make the M5 even better.

As great as the current S63 engine is, a change could be good, we've been seeing revisions of it since the original X5M (2010).
Wouldn’t that add a tad bit more weight?
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Wouldn’t that add a tad bit more weight?
Yes, electrification does add weight in exchange for performance, although Tesla surprisingly has the Model 3 which weighs similar to that of a standard 330i and M340i. The Performance model does weigh more than an outgoing F80 by a large amount, however the G80 reduces that margin. Through engineering weight loss is possible even with electrification, however it will depend on whether BMW (or any company) would want to put the development costs into making the car lighter. Seeing as how the M3 has gained 200lbs+, its unknown what BMW's priorities are when it comes to weight management. Still, I do think it could make an interesting M5. The M5 has never been light, that was always more the M3's job, the current M5 while lighter than the competition, is still over two tons afterall.
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Yes, electrification does add weight in exchange for performance, although Tesla surprisingly has the Model 3 which weighs similar to that of a standard 330i and M340i. The Performance model does weigh more than an outgoing F80 by a large amount, however the G80 reduces that margin. Through engineering weight loss is possible even with electrification, however it will depend on whether BMW (or any company) would want to put the development costs into making the car lighter. Seeing as how the M3 has gained 200lbs+, its unknown what BMW's priorities are when it comes to weight management. Still, I do think it could make an interesting M5. The M5 has never been light, that was always more the M3's job, the current M5 while lighter than the competition, is still over two tons afterall.
For a relatively heavy car like the M5, I don't see much downside to EV. You can keep the weight about the same, lower the center of gravity and make it even faster. Just don't make it look like a weird electric car. The normal M5 look will do. And a 300+ mile range to be credible.
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For a relatively heavy car like the M5, I don't see much downside to EV. You can keep the weight about the same, lower the center of gravity and make it even faster. Just don't make it look like a weird electric car. The normal M5 look will do. And a 300+ mile range to be credible.
It doesn't work like that. It will never "weight about the same." When you electrify a car and use the same interior and exterior build quality, the car will be a set amount heavier. Especially if you want the battery capacity that is required for the power draw for Taycan performance. Li-ion batteries are heavy and you need a lot of them. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it or that it wouldn't be fast, but of course the car will get heavier if it becomes an EV.
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2020 m5 has that update too
Will the base F90 LCI M5 2021 have the updated 8HP76 ZF box, or is the updated gearbox only for the M5 Competition?
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Will the base F90 LCI M5 2021 have the updated 8HP76 ZF box, or is the updated gearbox only for the M5 Competition?
Competition only I think.
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I had the opportunity to drive one of the pre facelift Competition M5's at the ///M Performance Driving School 2 years ago and the conditions were rain, overcast and 55 degrees. I was initially upset about how cool and wet it was until I stepped into the M5. I have never driven a car that has felt so effortless to drive and so planted in the rain. I went all out in this car on their track and it never one time let me down. It's acceleration, braking and cornering in the rain was absolutely tremendous. The engine felt like it was barely working and pulled like a freight train! Such a great sedan, maybe the best sedan ever built to date in an all gas motor car.
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It doesn't work like that. It will never "weight about the same." When you electrify a car and use the same interior and exterior build quality, the car will be a set amount heavier. Especially if you want the battery capacity that is required for the power draw for Taycan performance. Li-ion batteries are heavy and you need a lot of them. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it or that it wouldn't be fast, but of course the car will get heavier if it becomes an EV.
There are some new opportunities also, which can reduce the gap substantially:
1. You can use the battery as being part of the chassis, providing more rigidity at least when you design the chassis as full EV from the start.
2. Electrical engines have a higher output to weight ratio and you can ditch the transmission entirely.
3. For full torque vectoring, no smart clutches and LSDs required either.
4. New battery technology promises more kWh/kg also.

Full EV is a new paradigm and they still have to learn to play it well. Also mass production will enable much novelties at low costs!
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Will the base F90 LCI M5 2021 have the updated 8HP76 ZF box, or is the updated gearbox only for the M5 Competition?
Also for none competition, std M5 releases the same torque.
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I know this car is all about performance, but is anyone else annoyed that BMW is now putting VW Golf (Mk7.5) headlights on their flagship sedan? I can't get over them, personally. What was wrong with the lovely ICON lights?!! Some of the decisions they are making these days are killing me.
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