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      10-28-2020, 01:21 PM   #199
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Here is the same logic you used between Hamilton and Button when they were at McLaren:

Championship

Overall points: Hamilton 657 / Button 672

Seasons finished higher in standings: Hamilton 2 / Button 1

Highest championship placing: Hamilton 4th (2010, 2012) / Button 2nd (2011)
Oh gawd. The Button Championship. <yawn>
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I was watching some old races the other weekend, and one of them was the Canadian GP of 2011. That was quite a funny one for Lewis. He reminds me a lot of younger Verstappen in that race in particular.
It was a shame Button took HAM out.

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Ham is better. Was a long time fan, but no longer.

Max is great for the sport, Red Bull needs to give him better equipment.
RB has arguably/most likely the second best car on the grid behind MB. I'm not sure how much better they can give him.

Albon needs to pick it up..........
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Great ham button comparison .
Some people here still commenting the bottas has an inferior car, the "facts" are albon is the one with inferior parts, per their own team.

The merc and other teams telemetry and sector times, in practice/quali/race, as well as top speed/trap are available to everyone, do yourself and everyone a favour and go read. Identical car, different setup by driver. Educate instead of troll
Is there a reliable/definitive source that this is truly happening?
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      10-28-2020, 01:52 PM   #203
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Oh gawd. The Button Championship. <yawn>
OK, I will bite.


Why so quickly dismissive of one champions victory?
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      10-28-2020, 02:21 PM   #204
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OK, I will bite.


Why so quickly dismissive of one champions victory?
Please understand...I LOVED BUTTON's Championship!! It was one of the most enjoyable seasons EVER. I was a Button fan as he was suffering through the Honda lack of performance.

The Button Championship is anyone saying Button outperformed Hamilton because he scored more points over 3 years. And now I can add because he finished higher in the championship with a 2nd rather than HAMs 4th. Probably two of the most intellectually dishonest things one can say. It's like me stating Hamilton is the greatest of all time because he has outscored every driver that has participated in Formula One. It's laughable.

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It was a shame Button took HAM out.

Lol apparently everyone tried to take Hamilton out in the beginning of that race.
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[QUOTE=MKSixer;26850063]It was a shame Button took HAM out.

''What is he doing?'' Button was saying.
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It was a shame Button took HAM out.

''What is he doing?'' Button was saying.
He was passing him. That's what he was doing.
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He was passing him. That's what he was doing.
It was a crazy place to try and take him.
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It was a crazy place to try and take him.
Look at Button's tank slapper. BUT lost control of the care momentarily.
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Look at Button's tank slapper. BUT lost control of the care momentarily.
One of those bad moments where it doesn't work out
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It was a crazy place to try and take him.
A straightaway into a shallow right hander leading to a hard left where one would have the natural block is a crazy place to pass? Especially as has been said, the guy in front made a mistake. He purposely took HAM out iot looks like with a bad/late block attempt.
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A straightaway into a shallow right hander leading to a hard left where one would have the natural block is a crazy place to pass? Especially as has been said, the guy in front made a mistake. He purposely took HAM out iot looks like with a bad/late block attempt.
I guess he was in Button's blind spot and it's the last thing he expected for him to be there ,I'd stop short of saying he did it on purpose..as they say,a racing incident.
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A straightaway into a shallow right hander leading to a hard left where one would have the natural block is a crazy place to pass? Especially as has been said, the guy in front made a mistake. He purposely took HAM out iot looks like with a bad/late block attempt.
Something is going wrong with the quote algorithm.

It was a perfectly legitimate place to overtake and I don't think BUT tried to take him out. I believe that the rain combined with the spray made it impossible to see and the standing water caused the tank slapper. A racing incident but HAM was the victim. He was passing BUT like a freight train before he was shunted off. Ah well.

In truth, this and many other similar incidents, are why I am enjoying this period of HAMs performance. I could name 20 races where I nearly had strokes watching hapless pit stops, cars on fire, transmission failures, engine failures, bad pit wall calls, a couple of mental fades and Ferrari International Assistance which ruined races and championships.

I am enjoying this as are many other long-suffering Hamilton fans.

As an aside, McLaren coming back to Mercedes is also sweet music to my ears. Darth Dennis should have NEVER gone to Honda. He threw away a 20 or so year relationship because of a temper tantrum about MGP.

McLaren-Mercedes. The order of the universe has been restored.

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I guess he was in Button's blind spot and it's the last thing he expected for him to be there ,I'd stop short of saying he did it on purpose..as they say,a racing incident.
It sure looks like he purposely was trying to block HAM.

This is similar to the qualifying crash last week between VER and STR. Should VER not have dared to pass in such a crazy spot as you say and have his car there?
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It sure looks like he purposely was trying to block HAM.

This is similar to the qualifying crash last week between VER and STR. Should VER not have dared to pass in such a crazy spot as you say and have his car there?



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It sure looks like he purposely was trying to block HAM.

This is similar to the qualifying crash last week between VER and STR. Should VER not have dared to pass in such a crazy spot as you say and have his car there?
No one to blame for that one really except Stroll's engineer who failed to warn Lance of the fast looming Max.
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No one to blame for that one really except Stroll's engineer who failed to warn Lance of the fast looming Max.
Hmm, so HAM is crazy to pass in a similar spot during an actual race, but a similar incident not even during a race is the engineers fault?

Not that I necessarily disagree with your reason for the VER/STR incident, I just find the two different reasons for very similar incidents interesting to say the least.
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^^ The quote algorithm has gone haywire, my piece is missing from the above !
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Hmm, so HAM is crazy to pass in a similar spot during an actual race, but a similar incident not even during a race is the engineers fault?

Not that I necessarily disagree with your reason for the VER/STR incident, I just find the two different reasons for very similar incidents interesting to say the least.
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