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- They used comfort mode only for the rolling race where both cars were in comfort mode. Go actually watch the video rather than comment on it. I can go on about how the E63s launches better in Comfort suspension, but I am not even going to bother about optimal launches as the E63s doesn't need them to beat the m5. - Top Gear did a full segment where they review the cars not just the youtube drags they sometimes post. This is evidenced by Chris Harris' twitter account where he mentions thrashing them about. Which again begs the question why pull the segment at exactly the launch of the M5? The rolls royce content also got pulled. - Car magazine, Automobilemag, motormag are the same review!!!! They use the same pics and virtually identical language (welcome to media recycling). Whilst Evo Magazine, Top Gear, Chris Harris, Autozeitung all say E63s (and these are completely separate publications) - E63s is the most natural competitor to the M5, a standard E63 doesn't have RWD mode, has 30hp less, no active engine mounts and costs almost 15k less than the m5. The E63 isn't even available in most countries outside EU. |
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Comfort mode is best for any car to be launched in as it allows more weight transfer/suspension flex and contact to the tires. Carwow tested both cars separately - with the same tires this time - and had the car exactly one tenth ahead - just like the magazines. Fast forward to the differing tires for the head to head and suddenly the E63S is much quicker. The E63S is not the direct competitor to the M5. Just like the F10 - which had the E63 and the M5 CP had the E63S. The M5 is already hitting above its pay grade (the E63S is more expensive). There will be an E63R and an M5 CP - those will compete. It isn't BMW's fault MB created a car below the standard of their base M5 (base meaning there are no lower end models). Simply because the E63 doesn't have AWD does not mean it wasn't the base AMG E model. Either way - they are close - no question. But I will state again - 9/10 times - with proper settings for each - the M5 will win to 60 and the 1/4 by a car to a car and a half. The E63S will win 9/10 in a mid-top end roll. We shall find out. |
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I agree with your assessment. |
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Agree to disagree ... both cars are insane and have jointly pushed 4-door sedans to new heights.
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I don't disagree with anything in particular, in fact, I think both cars are great. One is not better than the other IMO, just depends on who you ask.
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So in this video both cars were using Launch Control? Is that right? Seems like the M5 was definitely using Launch Control but no mention of it in the video for the Mercedes.
Also, I believe that the DCT also autoshifts from 1st into 2nd gear when using Launch Control. Can anyone confirm that if you are in manual shift mode and you miss the shift in the F90 M5 that the transmission will not shift up automatically with the ZF8 transmission?i
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Ok I call BS on all South African youtube vids.
BMW must have South Africa on the pay roll. BMW wins against everyone M4CP vs RS5 - M4CP walks it Alfa Guilia vs M3 vs C63 - M3 destroys them all F10 M5 vs AMG GTS - M5 destroys the GTS F90 vs E63s - M5 wins Soon they will drag the m8 vs chiron.... |
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All the publications referred to previously are copies of each other: R&T/C&D=Hearst Publications CAR mag/Automobile mag/Motor mag=Bauer Media Their job is to market for the manufacturers across platforms to make it seem like a large consensus. If you look at publications independently you will actually find that E63s is winning more than the m5 for being a raw beast (which is what you want otherwise get a 335i). Besides this, ignore magazines, test drive and make your own opinion. |
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I drove both last week. I canceled my M5 order. My e63s comes in 2 weeks. Can't wait! Even if the e63s is 1/10 slower(if it actually is) it still looks,sounds and drives better. First time I've felt that about an AMG over an M. I've had 5 Ms too. I felt like I was driving a more special car in the e63s. The M5 interior looks like a 3 series to me.
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