[Laserdude]

I don't see really what people are complaining about. It says that the m5 will have the ability for 100% rwd and the xdrive will make it be able to launch and put power down way more effectively than the f10. It will be faster WITH the option for rwd if you want it on the track or something. The no dct decision is disappointing but how many people consistently track their m5? I don't think that's it's true purpose it's a fast gt car and I think for 95% of driving the zf auto handle just fine

[Laserdude]

I don't see really what people are complaining about. It says that the m5 will have the ability for 100% rwd and the xdrive will make it be able to launch and put power down way more effectively than the f10. It will be faster WITH the option for rwd if you want it on the track or something. The no dct decision is disappointing but how many people consistently track their m5? I don't think that's it's true purpose it's a fast gt car and I think for 95% of driving the zf auto handle just fine

[lemetier]

Basically 99% of what I hinted at a year ago. Transmission "info" should be taken with a grain of salt.

3rd Gen ZF8 Modular - 8DT Center Module.

[CERF04ZHP]

Is AWD (with that stupid switch to make it RWD on demand) going to be the only option? Seems to me that it would make far more sense to offer an AWD version for those that want one, and a RWD for those that don't.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Basically 99% of what I hinted at a year ago. Transmission "info" should be taken with a grain of salt.

3rd Gen ZF8 Modular - 8DT Center Module.

And that means what exactly?

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Laserdude

I don't see really what people are complaining about. It says that the m5 will have the ability for 100% rwd and the xdrive will make it be able to launch and put power down way more effectively than the f10. It will be faster WITH the option for rwd if you want it on the track or something. The no dct decision is disappointing but how many people consistently track their m5? I don't think that's it's true purpose it's a fast gt car and I think for 95% of driving the zf auto handle just fine

The one thing the M5 doesn't really need to be is faster, it needs to be lighter and more engaging.

xdrive and a slush box ZF8 will take it further away from its roots.

Forget about the track a car can be rewarding at 40mph on the road if it's set up right.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Wills2

And that means what exactly?

The attached image is the ZF 8DT (Dual Clutch) center module, not the ZF 8HP (slushbox).

[Laserdude]

Originally Posted by Wills2

The one thing the M5 doesn't really need to be is faster, it needs to be lighter and more engaging.

xdrive and a slush box ZF8 will take it further away from its roots.

Forget about the track a car can be rewarding at 40mph on the road if it's set up right.

I agree about the roots but I think xdrive is close to a necessity now because the f10 had a real hard time putting power down and with this next bump in power that'll get worse. Almost ever review I have seen has praised the f10 but complained about it being too tail happy, limited, and inefficient with its rwd

[Laserdude]

Originally Posted by Wills2

The one thing the M5 doesn't really need to be is faster, it needs to be lighter and more engaging.

xdrive and a slush box ZF8 will take it further away from its roots.

Forget about the track a car can be rewarding at 40mph on the road if it's set up right.

I agree about the roots but I think xdrive is close to a necessity now because the f10 had a real hard time putting power down and with this next bump in power that'll get worse. Almost ever review I have seen has praised the f10 but complained about it being too tail happy, limited, and inefficient with its rwd

[swanson]

You guys ready for X-Drive emblems?

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by StealYourFace

Hey I agree with what you say but easy on the cock sucker hate.

Lol. Maybe it was harsh but this guy is an Audi guy lol

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by swanson

You guys ready for X-Drive emblems?

I'm still enjoying the whining.

All of them are speaking based from an "unofficial" report. lol. Jumping to conclusions is what the internet is best at doing.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Most people surely know that firms like GKN/Getrag/Ricardo/ZF etc... are making these transmissions/drivelines but they do that in conjunction with the vehicle manufacturers, they don't spend many millions on development without having a partner willing to buy it or one that at least thinks it's a good idea.

Lets take the MDCT gearbox from Getrag, which other brand takes that gearbox with the same ratios and control software?

I don't think most do. They have no idea who makes transmissions and think the car companies do.

And I agree with bingoballs, I think car companies like to market as if the part is made by themselves by giving them names.

[nike001]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

You don't know the first thing about me. There are ways to keep pushing the buck forward while allowing your cars to still feel communicative and have a soul, see Porsche, Ferrari, and Alfa Romeo.

Lol. Of course you bring up those brands. Porsche is never-not doing absolutely ridiculous R&D for their vehicles; they have to. Their whole entire brand revolves around performance. They can also afford to waste a pile of money on R&D'ing a GT3 because they have parent/sister companies to back it up. BMW doesn't. Same goes for Ferrari and Alfa (we can all agree Alfa was complete junk until Alfa was able to go nuts & pick the ideas and practices from Maserati and Ferrari for the Gulia), they both have necessary aid to be able to go nuts on a specific car. BMW has to spread the butter a little more thinly across the brand.

Outside the M2 and M4, I can't say BMW's technological advances have done anything positive for the driving experience but produce faster lap times.

So how are they constantly edging out the competition? Your statement holds no merit. Go throw a new G30 5er around and tell me it isn't lightyears ahead of the F10 in terms of chassis development. Any car that can drop 200+ pounds, increase chassis rigidity, as well as lower the center of gravity all in one shot qualifies as positive driving experience gestures to me. I guess we'll also discredit BMW for their use of CFRP too

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by Laserdude

I don't see really what people are complaining about. It says that the m5 will have the ability for 100% rwd and the xdrive will make it be able to launch and put power down way more effectively than the f10. It will be faster WITH the option for rwd if you want it on the track or something. The no dct decision is disappointing but how many people consistently track their m5? I don't think that's it's true purpose it's a fast gt car and I think for 95% of driving the zf auto handle just fine

I track with my ZF auto. It's epic and lightning fast. People need to track regularly with a Non M ZF auto to realize that, it will be awesome.

Btw the X5M has a ZF and no one bitches about that....

[N & M]

Everything sounds about right except the Auto bit. Having an 8th gear and torque converter unit is a not keeping with the car's racy DNA.

[N & M]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

Actually Sport Auto had ran the ring with E63 at 7:55, and that was the previous generation too.

Amazing what you can achieve with a well driven, well balanced car. i would love to know how much life he gets out of a set of tires and brakes.

[M3PGH]

for what ever it is worth
I had a f10 M5 and currently drive E63 AMG
The MCT on the E is fairly good, and it has improved over the past few years.My car is 2016
I believe DCT is better
normal driving AWD on the E does not bother me at all , vs the M5 RWD . I don't track these cars.

[hekki]

Most buyers of these super fast sedans/Wagons only drives in public roads as daily driver. That's why AWD is better option and most buyers want. Yes, on track RWD is much better but there are a few buyers who uses these car on track. I think that's why BMW offers AWD instead of RWD.

[Driver37]

I am excited for the new M5.

From the extremely brief convos I had over heard. The new M xDrive system will be phenomenal and the torque numbers are going to be through the roof.

Let's just sit back, wait, and enjoy the show.

-37

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by nike001

Lol. Of course you bring up those brands. Porsche is never-not doing absolutely ridiculous R&D for their vehicles; they have to. Their whole entire brand revolves around performance. They can also afford to waste a pile of money on R&D'ing a GT3 because they have parent/sister companies to back it up. BMW doesn't. Same goes for Ferrari and Alfa (we can all agree Alfa was complete junk until Alfa was able to go nuts & pick the ideas and practices from Maserati and Ferrari for the Gulia), they both have necessary aid to be able to go nuts on a specific car. BMW has to spread the butter a little more thinly across the brand.

So how are they constantly edging out the competition? Your statement holds no merit. Go throw a new G30 5er around and tell me it isn't lightyears ahead of the F10 in terms of chassis development. Any car that can drop 200+ pounds, increase chassis rigidity, as well as lower the center of gravity all in one shot qualifies as positive driving experience gestures to me. I guess we'll also discredit BMW for their use of CFRP too

The G30 is 137lbs lighter than the F10 to be exact.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Pentium

so No RWD verion of the next M5?

It will be switchable between RWD and AWD. Although not having a DCT is unfortunate, I would think this would improve 0-60. Getrag needs to up the horsepower rating on their DCT. I believe the competition pack M5 F10 has 600 HP though it is RWD only. There are plenty of aftermarket cars with DCT making more power.