[6ixSpd]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Okay folks.

1. This report is not confirmed.

2. I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt BMW would invest in a DCT gearbox for the F10 just to drop it for the F90. BMW started planning the F90 the day the F10 was released. These cars are planned for YEARS.

3. I don't think we'll ever see a slushbox in an M car.

4. Did I mention this report is all hearsay and NOT official from BMW?

Well, the X5M and X6M counteract point #3

[bmwmnation]

Bmw is really pissing me off...no dct...and only 600hp...cmon man

[m3rxn]

Can't wait to see this beast in the making

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by KGB_123_99

Really, you don't like the sound of AMG V8???

You are responding the biggest BMW fanboy on this forum. He loathes anything Mercedes.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by 6ixSpd

Well, the X5M and X6M counteract point #3

And BMW does not make transmission themselves, so there could be some other dynamics at play here.

Maybe GETRAG no longer interested in making a new DCT box with higher torque capability due to not enough volume for them to justify it, who knows.

Finally, I don't think most M5 buyer cares anyways. People who participate in forums like this are usually more hardcore, care about RWD vs AWD or manual vs DCT vs torque converter auto, but we are likely the minority.

Regardless of whether it will be ZF8 or GETRAG DCT, the new M5 will be quite a performer, that much is guaranteed.

[IshR]

Originally Posted by 6ixSpd

LOL! Hahahahaha. So it's basically a propped up M550i xDrive now. Amazing.

Newsflash: Audi and MB already excel at making fat, powerful, AWD, slushbox sedans. So now WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF A M5?!?!?! BMW HAD THE ONE DISTINCT OFFERING IN THIS SEGMENT AND NOW YOU’RE THE SAME AS THE COMPETITION, WHO ALREADY DOES THIS FORMULA BETTER THAN YOU.

+1
Well said my friend.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by IshR

+1
Well said my friend.

BMW in the past has said no turbo in M cars, no M SUV, no AWD in M5, so nothing they do now will surprise me.

And ZF8 in M5 might actually be good news for tuners, if it can handle much higher torque.

[OverDrive]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

I must admit I could cope with the AWD system quite happily but as someone that drives a C63 and RS6 (current gen) regularly as well as having driven a bunch of other cars with ZF8's I'm quite disappointed here, the whole point of the M5 was always that it was just a little bit naughtier and more fun than RS6's and E63's, especially true as the new E63 is AWD (unless you disable everything which most people won't do)

The Panamera Turbo Hybrid has 850nm and uses a dual clutch 8 speed which I assume is from ZF like the normal Panamera Turbo so unless Porsche have signed some weird agreement surely BMW would be able to buy a ZF DCT that supports more torque.

Porsche makes their own dual clutch tranny. It's called PDK. The 8 speed PDK in the new Panamera is the successor to the previous 7 speed PDK.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by OverDrive

Porsche makes their own dual clutch tranny. It's called PDK. The 8 speed PDK in the new Panamera is the successor to the previous 7 speed PDK.

No they don't. The 8-speed PDK is a ZF unit. Porsche may have helped develop the 8-speed PDK with ZF but it's definitely not their own.

[Stratus650]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

Well, if this is true, guess the all new F90 M5 will have too much torque to continue using Getrag DCT, will use ZF's automatic instead.....

There goes half of the fun

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by KGB_123_99

Really, you don't like the sound of AMG V8???

Seriously. Do you also hate happiness?

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

BMW in the past has said no turbo in M cars, no M SUV, no AWD in M5, so nothing they do now will surprise me.

And ZF8 in M5 might actually be good news for tuners, if it can handle much higher torque.

The lackluster success of the E60 M5 (V10) should be an indication as to why M had to go forced induction. The demographic has shifted to torque, gizmos, everyday drivability.

[phil_]

Well this certainly seems to put the last nail in the DCT coffin. Scott26 is confirming it below.

It's disappointing. It would be nice to understand the reason behind it. I posted this in another thread but perhaps the requirement for the M5 to be able to put 100% power to rear wheels doesn't easily work with the DCT.

Living in arctic like temperature I will certainly enjoy the addition of AWD. I'm not giving up on the F90 M5 yet though, I'll wait for the reviews to come in and of course a test drive

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

From what I know M5 shares the same idea with the X5M and X6M as the Auto-Transmission with DKG features.

From this thread:

http://g30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...144727&page=23

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by kydiesel35

Zf auto is a beast!

I agree. Not a DCT fan at all. DCT slipped bad under tuned conditions. ZF8 is such a great trans, glad they utilized it.

[gatorfast]

Tough crowd. I'm sure the next M5 will be awesome.

[TheBingoBalls]

I think it will just come down to application. I didn't think the ZF8 would be ideal for the X5 and X6 M but they work pretty damn well. Sure you're not doing anything crazy in a 5,000 pound vehicle but you're definitely not getting seat time in a X5/X6M then leave and say, "well I wish the transmission was a DCT."

Whether or not the G30 M5 will get a dual clutch, I trust BMW enough to believe they know what they're doing and if they believe that an 8-Speed is ideal for the car as whole, then that's what they're going to use.

[Falafel Combo]

The future is here!

[nike001]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Okay folks.

1. This report is not confirmed.

2. I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt BMW would invest in a DCT gearbox for the F10 just to drop it for the F90. BMW started planning the F90 the day the F10 was released. These cars are planned for YEARS.

3. I don't think we'll ever see a slushbox in an M car.

4. Did I mention this report is all hearsay and NOT official from BMW?

Too late. BMW already uses a torque converter transmission in the X5/6M. and it works perfectly fine.

People here act like this whole non-DCT thing is a new thing - it's not. I'm willing to bet most people here thought that the X5/6M had a DCT to begin with; Surprise!

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by YungDro

its mixed AWD and RWD it can change to however you want it. 90% of the time the car will be RWD. it uses AWD for launches traction. as EVERYONE kept complaining M cars cant launch and now when they will people still complain *sigh* no one in the public has driven this car. wait untill its released test drive it yourself then make your opinion and trust me this car is going to be a WEAPON.

Are you talking about the crappy push me pull me xdrive fitted to the cooking models? That system is dull and has zero appeal to me.

I posted that I hope they don't put that system in the car and come up with a better more M orientated solution which I hope and think they will.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

The lackluster success of the E60 M5 (V10) should be an indication as to why M had to go forced induction. The demographic has shifted to torque, gizmos, everyday drivability.

Lackluster success? The E60 is going to go down as one of the greatest M cars EVER!

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by nike001

Too late. BMW already uses a torque converter transmission in the X5/6M. and it works perfectly fine.

People here act like this whole non-DCT thing is a new thing - it's not. I'm willing to bet most people here thought that the X5/6M had a DCT to begin with; Surprise!

I should have clarified, *REAL* M cars. The original M cars.

That said, the ZF 8 speed is a great transmission. Jag uses it on the F Type RS, and it nails every gear. I think it will all just come down to software tuning.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Are you talking about the crappy push me pull me xdrive fitted to the cooking models? That system is dull and has zero appeal to me.

I posted that I hope they don't put that system in the car and come up with a better more M orientated solution which I hope and think they will.

The xDrive will split torque 20:80 front to rear. I'd say that's one step in the right direction.