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      04-25-2020, 11:31 AM   #45
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Those are slick. Don't know the brand though.

That said, BMW is quite talented in making an engaging car, no doubt. But what makes BMW so special is their ability to make a family sedan so desirable, ///M version or not. For example, a manual e90, e39, or e60? Sign me up right away. Maybe I find the 8-series expectantly having presence so I compare it other like competitors. Eh, too angular, like it's trying too hard. The sedans? Mostly understated and when you drive them?
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That's not true. Sales are low because people are buying SUVs and most recently because of the pandemic.
Not really. Not everyone loves an SUV.
There are also a lot of owners who already have a winter or a beater in the household but want a sport car.
The 8 doesnt sell for few reasons:
- the Coupe is big but not practical. A 7th generation Honda Accord Coupe has similiar lenght but the interior leg room is amazing. The 8 has a claustrophobic interior, especially for the rear seat passengers.
- the Gran Coupe is nice, but because of the improper interior design in terms of space, they lenghten the sedan to proportions that not too many are happy with. Too damn big. That also affects the driving perception and road behaviour. Drives nice, but still a big big vehicle.
- not the least, in top of these minuses, instead of keeping the 6 Series price strategy, they decided to call it 8 and price it accordingly due to the nimenclature, literally kicking themselves in the but.
I was excited to buy the new 8, but I can not justify that price regardless. Sorry.
M5, while still big, it is still smaller than the GC and a much better all-rounder.

Is a no brainer really.

BMW should price the 8 like the 6 and they will have a winner. But they will not do it because they are too greedy, so they will end up claiming that the vehicle didn’t do well for other reasons.
In terms of design both are nice and have their own character. I like the :5 design regardless.

M5 is a monster. And is also the one that still retains that teutonic, neutral sleeper design, hidding in a modest way its muscles. You know, the old BMW way...

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That's not true. Sales are low because people are buying SUVs and most recently because of the pandemic.
Not really. Not everyone loves an SUV.
There are also the majority who already has a winter or a beater in the household but wants a sports car.
The 8 doesnt sell for few reasons:
- the Coupe is big but not practical. A 7 generation Honda Accord Coupe has similiar lenght but the interior leg room is amazing. The 8 is a claustrophobic interior, especially for rear seat passengers.
- the Gran Coupe is nice, but because of the improper design interior, they lenghten the sedan to proportionsa that not too many are happy with. Too damn big. That also affects the driving perception and road behaviour. Drives nice, but still a big big vehicle.
- not the least, in top of both minuses above, insetad of keeping the 6 Series price nomenclature, they decided to call it 8 and price it accordingly in the price scale, literally kicking themselves in the but.
I was excited to buy the new 8, but I can not justify that price regardless. Sorry.
M5, while still big, it is a better all rounder, still smaller than the GC and a much better all-rounder.

Is a no brainer really.

BMW should price the 8 like the 6 and they will have a wiiner. But they will not do it because they are too greedy, so they will end up claiming that the vehicle didn't do well for other reasons.

M5 is a monster. And is also the one that stillkeeps that teutonic, neutral sleepr design, while hidding in a modest way its muscles.
I'm wondering if the 2021 M5 Lci will have the quilted seats like the X6M/M8 has. Ive had a 2020 on order since end of Jan and because of the shutdown it's very late. I almost want to tell my CA I want to change it to a 2021 model.
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The M8 is hot. M5 is a handsome car but most people get them in black/white/grey so it looks like a normal BMW.

Anyhow, both of these are absolute boats.

I can promise you the M5C is anything but normal. Why are you here if you don't like these cars? You surely can do better at trolling than that weak attempt.
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If this topic were placed in the 8-Series forum I'm sure the responses would be the other way around. I'm just glad we still have the option of two 620HP luxury cars in 2020!
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      04-25-2020, 01:03 PM   #51
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If this topic were placed in the 8-Series forum I'm sure the responses would be the other way around. I'm just glad we still have the option of two 620HP luxury cars in 2020!
This is a good post. Probably some truth to this but overall, I feel that people will go more towards the sedan instead of the coupe regardless of which form it's posted in. Although I do not discount the power of bias.
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Not at all, but I think there's a possibility it's software related.
When it's software related, they would deliberately put defective program code in the M5 then? Doesn't seem logic, sabotaging your own top car because it might be too reliable.
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When it's software related, they would deliberately put defective program code in the M5 then? Doesn't seem logic, sabotaging your own top car because it might be too reliable.
My guess is that it's either a bug in the software or they made it less consistent on purpose to not step on the M8s toes. Which it is, idk. Maybe it's just the driver, who knows, I'm just making guesses based on what I saw in the video. Nothing wrong with a little speculation.
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I can promise you the M5C is anything but normal. Why are you here if you don't like these cars? You surely can do better at trolling than that weak attempt.
Clearly my attempt worked on you.
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My guess is that it's either a bug in the software or they made it less consistent on purpose to not step on the M8s toes. Which it is, idk. Maybe it's just the driver, who knows, I'm just making guesses based on what I saw in the video. Nothing wrong with a little speculation.
Yes, I also captured this remark of Mat Watson... "that this might be a reason why the M8 is this much more expensive".
When it's a bug in an older software version, it will not remain restricted to M8 only. Otherwise, would be darn stupid of BMW and for me sufficient reason to sue them.
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Do you honestly believe that they develop a different transmission line for these cars? Would they be that stupid in Munich?
M5 and M8 don't even have the same seats.

Yes, they have engineers at ZF in charge to engineer specific transmission ratios and materials for every specific model.

Also BMW have to justify premium price over M5.

Also my personal opinion, M8 is better looking car than M5.
Practicality doesn't make car better looking.
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The M8 is hot. M5 is a handsome car but most people get them in black/white/grey so it looks like a normal BMW.

Anyhow, both of these are absolute boats.
Ehhh, I came from M2 and honestly M5 drives pretty tight and nimble without any floatiness you'd expect from a large sedan. I only know I'm driving a big car when doing U-turns. If you're coming from Lotus then yes this feels like a boat, but no it's the least "boat" ish family sedans on the market now. Never driven a M8 so I can't comment on that
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Clearly my attempt worked on you.

No I just like calling out trolls like you.

You wannabes on an M5 forum crack me up.

Get back to me when you can afford the admission price, Sparky.
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M5 and M8 don't even have the same seats.

Yes, they have engineers at ZF in charge to engineer specific transmission ratios and materials for every specific model.

Also BMW have to justify premium price over M5.

Also my personal opinion, M8 is better looking car than M5.
Practicality doesn't make car better looking.
Hesitating launch control has nothing to do with differentiated gear ratios. Btw, M5, M5c, M8 and M8c use the same spacing and final drive axle ratio. Since torque strain is identical, materials are also.

On the other hand, my wife couldn't understand why the M5c was so overpriced while the M8c gained more sympathy: "yeah, but this is a special car, the 5 ain't, we already had 3 of them."
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I went for the M5 because I wanted the fastest 4 door sedan there is.

If I wanted the fastest 2 door that would not be the M8.
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I thought they had different transmission hardware, 8hp75 vs 8hp76. That's probably why the launch control behaves differently even though it's the exact same engine.
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Hesitating launch control has nothing to do with differentiated gear ratios. Btw, M5, M5c, M8 and M8c use the same spacing and final drive axle ratio. Since torque strain is identical, materials are also.

On the other hand, my wife couldn't understand why the M5c was so overpriced while the M8c gained more sympathy: "yeah, but this is a special car, the 5 ain't, we already had 3 of them."
No, it's a different transmission type :

"The sole transmission available for the M8 is an 8-speed torque converter ZF 8HP76 automatic transmission manufactured by ZF Friedrichshafen called the M-Steptronic"

While M5 have "old" 8HP75.

Transmission is important factor, example :
1. 2009 X5M 555HP 4.7sec to 100km/h - 6 speed
2. 2015 X5M 575HP 4.2sec to 100km/h - 8 speed
3. 2020 X5M 625HP 3.7sec to 100km/h - 8 speed

With 70HP you can't gain 1 sec improvement to 100km/h, maybe half second, the rest of acceleration improvement goes to transmission.
That's how BMW works, every year they improve something so they "motivate" people to buy newer models.

On the women topic, 80% of them buy car by color, let's say she has option red Mazda 2 and black M3 E46.
She will choose Mazda because of color and because M3 is "noisy" and it's hard over bumps(unless she is enthusiast, but that's maybe 1% of women)
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The M8 is hot. M5 is a handsome car but most people get them in black/white/grey so it looks like a normal BMW.

Anyhow, both of these are absolute boats.
Yeah, but how is the M8 different? Everyone will get the same exact colors in the 8 series, too. I see GLE63's a lot in my area and they just look basic.....especially if they have black exhaust tips, it's the only real hint it's an AMG when you drive by one is the quad chrome tips...otherwise it could be the GLE63 or it could be a ML350. All of the AMG's look like a normal car, too. All of the Porsche GTS and S models look like the base models, too. Even the Turbo isn't that different looking.

That is why people buy M5's......it's an executive sports sedan that really is a sleeper in a lot of ways. That's why I feel the Comp models just don't it for me on the M5. I just feel it almost crosses the line between classy sedan into M3/M4 territory with the black mirrors and rear, etc. I jut feel Comps fit the 2-door BMW's better. People don't think of "sporty" when they think of the M5 or X5M. Like I could see myself driving a M5 Comp in my 20's....but not in my 50's.

I do love the M8 coupes....they are indeed hot. However, if you want to compare M8 GC versus M5...I just think the M5 wins. The M8GC look great! I just feel the 8 is better in the coupe version and the M5 is BMW's bread and butter in a lot of ways.
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Yeah, but how is the M8 different? Everyone will get the same exact colors in the 8 series, too. I see GLE63's a lot in my area and they just look basic.....especially if they have black exhaust tips, it's the only real hint it's an AMG when you drive by one is the quad chrome tips...otherwise it could be the GLE63 or it could be a ML350. All of the AMG's look like a normal car, too. All of the Porsche GTS and S models look like the base models, too. Even the Turbo isn't that different looking.

That is why people buy M5's......it's an executive sports sedan that really is a sleeper in a lot of ways. That's why I feel the Comp models just don't it for me on the M5. I just feel it almost crosses the line between classy sedan into M3/M4 territory with the black mirrors and rear, etc. I jut feel Comps fit the 2-door BMW's better. People don't think of "sporty" when they think of the M5 or X5M. Like I could see myself driving a M5 Comp in my 20's....but not in my 50's.

I do love the M8 coupes....they are indeed hot. However, if you want to compare M8 GC versus M5...I just think the M5 wins. The M8GC look great! I just feel the 8 is better in the coupe version and the M5 is BMW's bread and butter in a lot of ways.
33 year old here and I too felt the comp package looked out of place on the M5. The unknowing praise my car's color and interior. The enthusiasts respect the M. 😁😏

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That is why people buy M5's......it's an executive sports sedan that really is a sleeper in a lot of ways. That's why I feel the Comp models just don't it for me on the M5. I just feel it almost crosses the line between classy sedan into M3/M4 territory with the black mirrors and rear, etc. I jut feel Comps fit the 2-door BMW's better. People don't think of "sporty" when they think of the M5 or X5M. Like I could see myself driving a M5 Comp in my 20's....but not in my 50's
Not sure I agree, but completely understand your point.

I think the Comp, with subtle styling changes is still a sleeper.

Then add aggressive diffuser, spoiler etc and it changes.

I'm 50, have stock M5 and have de-chromed and added an OEM rear lip spoiler and diffuser, but still don't feel I'm punching like a 20 year old.
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Go figure I am in the minority on a M5 thread but the M5 too me looks way to pedestrian.

M8 looks much better

To those who say price it like they did the 6 series, that didn't sell all that well either even at the cheaper price point
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