[walt814]

I have a Pre-facelift E63s and have had many other AMG's over the past few years. From the small C63s to the over-the-top G63, I can for sure say that they are dramatic in their own way. The E63s seems to be the perfect blend of drama and comfort from the Mercedes cars while not being too overpriced. While I feel that the GT63s is the better car when it comes to dynamics and looks, I feel that the asking price doesn't justify it.

Going back to the main question, it honestly comes down to preference. Both brands have pros and cons to them, and when it comes to performance or comfort, the '21 version of both will be so similar that I don't feel like you could go wrong with either. I have an order in for a '21 M5 but that won't make my E63s any less valuable. I like both cars and their quirks, but I don't believe either one is a bad option. Just go with your gut and buy what you like. From what they offer, you'll get your bang for your buck regardless of choice.

I know this doesn't help much, but I hope this provides some insight, especially coming from someone who's always been an AMG guy

[secretariat]

Thanks again everybody for the responses. I brought my X5M in for service today and they had an M5 floor model. I like the way it looked even though it was white(alpine) I have Mineral White X5M, no more white ones for me. I turned on the lights which were actually nice both front and back. It was comfortable inside, but it was a stripped model, no full leather. The seats were comfortable, plenty of head room but the salesman didn't come in til 9:30 so didn't drive it. But I will. Will update.

[MuffinFlavored]

Originally Posted by Greer

Why don't you get the 2021 M5 CS. It will blow the E63 away. No comparison.

lol what numbers do you have to prove this?

i'm pretty sure the e63s has the better exhaust, is missing the giant dildo of a shifter in the center, and they are within 0.1-0.2s from each other depending on launch/conditions when it comes to pretty much all speed benchmarks

i mean, they both have AWD + twin turbo v8s pushing nearly equal power while nearly weighing the same. how can either one blow anything?

[bobblehead]

In the battle of the M5 vs E63S, winning by a car length or so means the loser got blown away. After all, we are talking here in a bmw forum, they will not let other brands gain any bragging rights. Just to remind everyone that the E63S came with only 4litre engine vs BMW 4.4litre.

[jjdcct]

I just traded in an 2018 e63s in on the M5 Competition. The MB dealer was trying to get me to trade my e63s in on a new 2020 e63s. They came off $18k from list. This was the first MB that I had owned. The car was very fast, 2.81 0-60. It also was A much firmer ride. I enjoyed the car but have been a long time previous M5 owner, 9 m5’s since 2001. I only have 500 miles on my new 5 and the Mercedes definitely felt faster and rawer. Just wanted a change.

[SatinblkF90]

Originally Posted by jjdcct

I just traded in an 2018 e63s in on the M5 Competition. The MB dealer was trying to get me to trade my e63s in on a new 2020 e63s. They came off $18k from list. This was the first MB that I had owned. The car was very fast, 2.81 0-60. It also was A much firmer ride. I enjoyed the car but have been a long time previous M5 owner, 9 m5’s since 2001. I only have 500 miles on my new 5 and the Mercedes definitely felt faster and rawer. Just wanted a change.

So now the e63s is faster than the m5? Seems everyone else says the m5 is proven faster. Also, e63s was doing 0-60 in 2.8 stock or tuned? Can’t beleieve that’s a stock car.

[DrHeLpErZx]

Originally Posted by SatinblkF90

So now the e63s is faster than the m5? Seems everyone else says the m5 is proven faster. Also, e63s was doing 0-60 in 2.8 stock or tuned? Can't beleieve that's a stock car.

Must have been tuned for 2.81.

Mercedes claimed 3.3-3.4, car and driver and many other outlets got 3-3.1 with rollout.

Which is a very respectable number, but the 2018 BMW M5 (non competition) got 2.8 0-60 with car and driver for an apples to apples comparison.

While it may feel or be raw-er (never drove it as I couldn't stand the newer Mercedes, every trim piece creaks, trust me, push on your dash trim, guaranteed), the numbers don't lie, F90 M5 is the king of luxo-barges

[SatinblkF90]

Originally Posted by DrHeLpErZx

Must have been tuned for 2.81.

Mercedes claimed 3.3-3.4, car and driver and many other outlets got 3-3.1 with rollout.

Which is a very respectable number, but the 2018 BMW M5 (non competition) got 2.8 0-60 with car and driver for an apples to apples comparison.

Originally Posted by DrHeLpErZx

Must have been tuned for 2.81.

Mercedes claimed 3.3-3.4, car and driver and many other outlets got 3-3.1 with rollout.

Which is a very respectable number, but the 2018 BMW M5 (non competition) got 2.8 0-60 with car and driver for an apples to apples comparison.

I agree, hence my question about him saying e63s feels much faster. I think it might just be that at lower rpm, from a rolling start the e63 is faster because more low end torque, (for example from 30mph-60mph situation) but not from an actual launch from 0 or higher starting speed (say 50mph+) where m5 is alive at 4.5krpm+

[Crumbs]

I faced the same dilemma and came to similar conclusions others have in here, the GT63s > E63s but not worth the price difference, to me.

I have a 21M5C on order.

[jjdcct]

Thanks guys for all the posts. My e63s had a Kleeman piggyback on it. The 2.81, 0-60 was displayed on my in car performance program. It also registered a 59.2 mph in 100 ft, which is quite quick. It’s just a rawer feeling car. I only have 600 miles on my car and maybe it’s just not broken in yet. I’ve never subscribed to the soft break in guide that BMW recommends, however I don’t beat on it very aggressively. I like the driving experience that BMW offers. The BMW feels and looks like a much more expensive car, with driving feedback, appearance and interior appointments. I’m happy with the car, just factory hp has never done it for me. Could be that the racechip is defective as mentioned. I’ve notified their helpline.

[jjdcct]

Correction on my previous post on the 100 ft speed. That time was not on the M5, it was on my 2015 Porsche TTS, which is modified.

[dappercivility]

Originally Posted by secretariat

OK I am going to replace the X5M with one of these. I need advice from those who have knowledge of both. The F90 I am familiar with as far as I-drive, the driving feel or lack of, DD capability, all around monster engine and the reliability. I have had BMW'S for the last 30 years. I have never owned a Mercedes therefore I am unfamiliar with the reliability, MBUX system (which seems complicated, I'll learn I guess), what is Mercedes service like? Are the discounts similar when purchasing these vehicles? I have read that both are excellent choices, but will the mercedes give that 1995 soulful feeling I know the BMW won't. As far as exhaust I know the Mercedes is better, louder but that can be remedied with an after market exhaust as long as I don't lose my service warranty. Any replies will be helpful. Also yes I know this is the F90 forum.

While I might not be able to answer your question, I have lately been thinking about the E63S. I currently have the 20 M5C Pre-LCi, the pre facelift E63S was certainly a looker in its own right, as for the current Facelifted E63S, Im not so sure about it just yet, might take sometime for its new looks to settle in for me.

I would suggest you take a look at the E63S, modern AMGs are very good drivers' cars too though some might disagree, would be good to try out a demo from a dealer and see how you like the car and request for more time behind the wheel.

From a consumer standpoint, both cars are pretty closely matched though AMGs usually do cost abit more than an equivalent M Model, at least in Asia this is how they are priced. The M5C is a very capable car, a super sedan I would call it when you really get on it. Cheers and do let us know your decision, some brand diversity is good for one's garage if one could comfortably afford it which you are in this position now. Cheers!

[SatinblkF90]

Originally Posted by jjdcct

Thanks guys for all the posts. My e63s had a Kleeman piggyback on it. The 2.81, 0-60 was displayed on my in car performance program. It also registered a 59.2 mph in 100 ft, which is quite quick. It's just a rawer feeling car. I only have 600 miles on my car and maybe it's just not broken in yet. I've never subscribed to the soft break in guide that BMW recommends, however I don't beat on it very aggressively. I like the driving experience that BMW offers. The BMW feels and looks like a much more expensive car, with driving feedback, appearance and interior appointments. I'm happy with the car, just factory hp has never done it for me. Could be that the racechip is defective as mentioned. I've notified their helpline.

Originally Posted by jjdcct

Thanks guys for all the posts. My e63s had a Kleeman piggyback on it. The 2.81, 0-60 was displayed on my in car performance program. It also registered a 59.2 mph in 100 ft, which is quite quick. It's just a rawer feeling car. I only have 600 miles on my car and maybe it's just not broken in yet. I've never subscribed to the soft break in guide that BMW recommends, however I don't beat on it very aggressively. I like the driving experience that BMW offers. The BMW feels and looks like a much more expensive car, with driving feedback, appearance and interior appointments. I'm happy with the car, just factory hp has never done it for me. Could be that the racechip is defective as mentioned. I've notified their helpline.

Indeed very odd results. A racechip f90 m5 is like doing a stage 1. Also, stock to stock and m5CP is a significantly faster car than the e63s even though it may not feel that way..

[SFT33]

I just ordered a 2021 E63 wagon to replace our 2014 wagon. The changes to the E63 look great. I love the new grille. The new steering wheel is a work of art. 53s are on dealer lots now - so you can get a sense of what the 63 will look like.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by SFT33

I just ordered a 2021 E63 wagon to replace our 2014 wagon. The changes to the E63 look great. I love the new grille. The new steering wheel is a work of art. 53s are on dealer lots now - so you can get a sense of what the 63 will look like.

Congrats. The wagons are awesome and super rare to find. I was on auto trader the other day just looking at used ones for the hell of it and the resale value of them are staying strong.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Congrats. The wagons are awesome and super rare to find. I was on auto trader the other day just looking at used ones for the hell of it and the resale value of them are staying strong.

+1

I'm also looking at them now and then for kicks, and resale values are pretty strong. May even get one to replace the F80 since we're planning to get a Newfoundland pup for our 2yo. Need that big boot!

Short of the wagon, I would take the F90 any day, but that's just me

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

+1

I'm also looking at them now and then for kicks, and resale values are pretty strong. May even get one to replace the F80 since we're planning to get a Newfoundland pup for our 2yo. Need that big boot!

Definitely gonna need a big trunk. A friend of mine has a Newfoundland and they are huge! Even as puppies they're bigger than my sheltie, and he's bigger than most shelties.

I saw my first RS6 a few weeks ago and talked to the owner, and as beautiful as that car is, he's already tried drifting it and it showcased typical Audi understeer, and the interior was very greasy with all the fingerprints, it sure is pretty though. Many reviews have been glowing about the ride improvements, and the E63 Wagon was just included with the rest of the E-Class in Car of the Year so it's definitely a top pick in its class. MotorTrend is also writing up a comparison with the E63, RS6 and Panny ST Turbo that should eventually come out, super excited to read about that one.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Definitely gonna need a big trunk. A friend of mine has a Newfoundland and they are huge! Even as puppies they're bigger than my sheltie, and he's bigger than most shelties.

I saw my first RS6 a few weeks ago and talked to the owner, and as beautiful as that car is, he's already tried drifting it and it showcased typical Audi understeer, and the interior was very greasy with all the fingerprints, it sure is pretty though. Many reviews have been glowing about the ride improvements, and the E63 Wagon was just included with the rest of the E-Class in Car of the Year so it's definitely a top pick in its class. MotorTrend is also writing up a comparison with the E63, RS6 and Panny ST Turbo that should eventually come out, super excited to read about that one.

Have yet to see one in person, but they definitely look great from photos. I would be less inclined to grab one since it remains to be seen what resale values will look like, and people are *still* paying MSRP+ for these things, so it seems a pricey option compared to a lightly used e63 that I know will retain its value well. I'd grab a Panny ST in a heartbeat if prices were anywhere near my orbit (at least for the build I'd want), plus that boot is not so huge. Lovely car though. GTS would be perfection.

Yeah, we're basically getting him a pony lol. Things are gigantic. The breeder we're talking to has an old Dodge minivan, and even with the rear seats folded, one of the adult Newfies in the back is a bit tight...

We were thinking of buying out my wife's Macan, but she loves wagons too, and it's probably just not big enough for a full grown Newfie, so no we're looking at wagons for her too. Would be great to have two longroofs in the garage!

[Oswiff]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

Have yet to see one in person, but they definitely look great from photos. I would be less inclined to grab one since it remains to be seen what resale values will look like, and people are *still* paying MSRP+ for these things, so it seems a pricey option compared to a lightly used e63 that I know will retain its value well. I'd grab a Panny ST in a heartbeat if prices were anywhere near my orbit (at least for the build I'd want), plus that boot is not so huge. Lovely car though. GTS would be perfection.

Yeah, we're basically getting him a pony lol. Things are gigantic. The breeder we're talking to has an old Dodge minivan, and even with the rear seats folded, one of the adult Newfies in the back is a bit tight...

We were thinking of buying out my wife's Macan, but she loves wagons too, and it's probably just not big enough for a full grown Newfie, so no we're looking at wagons for her too. Would be great to have two longroofs in the garage!

Not sure what your budget is but Panamera ST's can be gotten with a significant discount.
They are not selling well at all and the latest rumor I heard was that they were going to be order only with the facelift onwards.
To be fair even with a great discount, the Panamera is still more than a m5 or rs6 so it may not matter at the end of the day.
I just got out of a '19 Panamera GTS sedan (if you can even call it that) and I will say that it does handle like a dream and is a lot of fun to drive but some of the shortcomings for the money is frustrating.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by Oswiff

Not sure what your budget is but Panamera ST's can be gotten with a significant discount.
They are not selling well at all and the latest rumor I heard was that they were going to be order only with the facelift onwards.
To be fair even with a great discount, the Panamera is still more than a m5 or rs6 so it may not matter at the end of the day.
I just got out of a '19 Panamera GTS sedan (if you can even call it that) and I will say that it does handle like a dream and is a lot of fun to drive but some of the shortcomings for the money is frustrating.

I'm keeping my eyes peeled, but for my budget, I'd probably have to give up some degree of performance to get into the Panny ST (a base 4). Not that I'll be hooning it on the 'Ring or anything, but I know it would bug me, although the driving experience is sublime, at least in the '18 that I drove. I drive my wife's Macan GTS every once in a while, and it blows me away every time. Has no right driving like that lol