[pbonsalb]

I wanted to ask someone about that. ShawnHayes tracks and has track wheels so he is swapping regularly. Curious what he thinks.

I just swap twice a year (fall and spring) unless I am doing work (installed springs this year so 3x in 2022). I have studs, which reduces the risk of dropping h the wheel on the brake shield and rotor. You can also buy long screw in hangers and 2 would let you slide the wheel on.

A pebble or debris that gets between the rotor and pad could also cause damage. But I doubt that is common. We have a beach house and though I don’t drive on the beach there is sand all over the place that gets blown around and kicked up by cars. Not sure if sand has ever caused problems with CCBs.

[omgmike]

I opted for the CCBs on my build after being talked into them by Greer, lol, and honestly I don't regret them for a second. They absolutely bite harder and faster than any metal brake system I've ever driven before. As much as I'd like to do track days, I simply don't have the time, so I suspect my CCBs will last for the life of the car while I own it since I'm all street so far.

[Greer]

Originally Posted by damianwo

Performance stopping on the street is the same

I have owned 2 F90 M5's with and without CCB's and I can say the stopping power and overall performance is much better with the ceramics.

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by M5Kitt23

This may have been explained before, not trying to rebirth the topic, but I couldn't find it through the search.

On these forums I see many enthusiasts opt for the Ceramic over the stock M for various reasons of looks, performance and less brake dust. Am I missing any other pros?

For a Super car, I would imagine the stock M are high performance brakes which would suffice. Brake dust is not my concern as I clean my cars frequently and I might track this car a handful of times at best.

I am thinking long term ownership.... M vs Ceramic mait
Has anyone had to replace a full set of each yet?
How long do they typically last before having to get replaced and what's the cost?

Currently torn on if I should just step up to the Ceramic given the caliber of car I am about to order....I am leaning that way.
Just justifying upfront cost and if this will bite me down the road over ownership of replacement.

There’s a whole thread deadicated to CCB that talks about this at length. Not really sure what you searched for but “carbon ceramics brakes” turned up quite a bit.

Also a Google search about CCBs vs steel will answer a lot of your questions. Nothing really unique about bmw in this field. Besides them squealing like champs.

CCBs will perform much better on a track than steel. But will also reduce the life of them. Impossible to say exactly how much but without track sessions you can expect 100k out of the rotors. 50-70k out of the pads under normal driving.

They won’t stop you that much better than steel rotors. But they will handle the fade much much better.

[stever500]

Gold colored brakes! Low brake dust. That's why I ordered them for my wife's new skyscraper grey/blk car that is coming to us in about 2 mos from Germany. SO EXCITED!!!! Them there is gold in there brakes.... that's why we ordered them. They look cool and different and are a conversation piece, that's all.

[damianwo]

Originally Posted by Greer

I have owned 2 F90 M5's with and without CCB's and I can say the stopping power and overall performance is much better with the ceramics.

Minimal. Few feet difference. Not worth the money.

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by damianwo

Minimal. Few feet difference. Not worth the money.

I searched Car and Driver road tests and while every tester likes CCBs, the 70-0 stopping distances did not show any consistent gains. The distances varied even among CCB tests over the years so it is hard to nail down any improvement that is just a few feet. One test commented that the CCBs took 5’ more than the magazine’s last steel brake test.

I think track driving, which probably less than 1% of M5 owners do, would show measurable gains. Probably slight initially, but drive hard enough long enough and the steel brakes will heat up and fade before the CCBs. Again, nothing anyone will see in their street driving.

Worth the money is relative. $8k means more to some than others, and even assuming we all have it to spare, what we choose to spend it on varies. Less dust, less squeal, less weight are all reasons, as is the lifestyle statement that one has the highest performance brake option.

[Boiler Up!]

Originally Posted by damianwo

Minimal. Few feet difference. Not worth the money.

By your logic we should all be driving M550i's. The differences are minimal, but there is a large price premium. Not worth it?

[damianwo]

Originally Posted by Boiler Up!

By your logic we should all be driving M550i's. The differences are minimal, but there is a large price premium. Not worth it?

Don’t thread jack. This is not M5 vs 550i comparison post. Also, M5 is a different animal, I suggest you get that unless of course financials are a problem.

[mavz]

Originally Posted by Boiler Up!

By your logic we should all be driving M550i's. The differences are minimal, but there is a large price premium. Not worth it?

talk about a leap Also, I think you actually know but the differences between the M5 and the M550 are absolutely not minimal

[supershaft]

my vote goes towards carbon ceramics. I will not spec a car without them. I have even tracked my gt4 with carbon ceramics and have held up very well. For track purposes however if I do more than 3-4 a year I'll replace with steelies considering I plan on keeping my car long term.

[dcwjd]

My stock brakes squeak like crazy it’s embarrassing. If I get another m5 definitely getting CCB’s.

[Greer]

Originally Posted by dcwjd

My stock brakes squeak like crazy it’s embarrassing. If I get another m5 definitely getting CCB’s.

There are so many posts on this same topic and you are spot on: I will never own an M5 without Carbon Ceramic Brakes.

[AHall]

Originally Posted by dcwjd

My stock brakes squeak like crazy it’s embarrassing. If I get another m5 definitely getting CCB’s.

Have your brakes squealed since day one? There seems to be no guarantee ceramic brakes will not squeal also. Some people have reported they also squeal.

[windtendo]

Originally Posted by AHall

Have your brakes squealed since day one? There seems to be no guarantee ceramic brakes will not squeal also. Some people have reported they also squeal.

Who has reported that? I've only heard from others and experienced firsthand with my own that CCBs would squeal during/after a rain or car wash. Consistent squealing on CCBs (for an F90 M5) is virtually non-existent.

My 2023 will have CCBs as well. It wasn't even a consideration to go with steels when spec'ing it out.

[boost3dx]

Originally Posted by windtendo

Who has reported that? I've only heard from others and experienced firsthand with my own that CCBs would squeal during/after a rain or car wash. Consistent squealing on CCBs (for an F90 M5) is virtually non-existent.

My 2023 will have CCBs as well. It wasn't even a consideration to go with steels when spec'ing it out.

Wrong lol. It's hit or miss.

My 2016 M4 had CCBs - squealed constantly.
My 2019 M5 had CCBs - squealed constantly.
My 2022 M5 CS has CCB's - didn't squeal at first, but now does occasionally. Not as much as my M4/M5. Seems to be getting worse.

My dad had a 2016 F10 M5 with CCBs and they squealed constantly.

In short, as AHall said above, there's no guarantee they won't.

[stever500]

You guys are killing me. We ordered Carbon Ceramic Brakes since they produce much less dust and look good. If they constantly squeal my wife is going to be pissed. It's her car. Ughhh.... Can the dealership "fix" this if she hard brakes a lot and they still squeal?

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by RichF90M5C

Why not just get normal rotors, then fit carbon ceramic pads? Best of both worlds.

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

I searched Car and Driver road tests and while every tester likes CCBs, the 70-0 stopping distances did not show any consistent gains. The distances varied even among CCB tests over the years so it is hard to nail down any improvement that is just a few feet. One test commented that the CCBs took 5’ more than the magazine’s last steel brake test.

I think track driving, which probably less than 1% of M5 owners do, would show measurable gains. Probably slight initially, but drive hard enough long enough and the steel brakes will heat up and fade before the CCBs. Again, nothing anyone will see in their street driving.

Worth the money is relative. $8k means more to some than others, and even assuming we all have it to spare, what we choose to spend it on varies. Less dust, less squeal, less weight are all reasons, as is the lifestyle statement that one has the highest performance brake option.

This is likely due to the ceramics not being up to proper temp. This are racing systems on a pedestrian car. They steels will stop better out of the gate but after a couple laps the ceramics heat up and turn into glue compared to steel. And they don’t fade. CCBs are for the track.
We like them better for our cars because of dust and lack of appreciable wear and tear. But let’s not get confused they don’t really see “significant” improvement unless on the track.

But that dust is a B and they are gorgeous compared to rusty iron especially after a wash or rain storm!

[spuntyb]

Less brake dust is the only reason I’d opt for them. The standard steels are plenty good unless you track

[windtendo]

Originally Posted by boost3dx

Wrong lol. It's hit or miss.

My 2016 M4 had CCBs - squealed constantly.
My 2019 M5 had CCBs - squealed constantly.
My 2022 M5 CS has CCB's - didn't squeal at first, but now does occasionally. Not as much as my M4/M5. Seems to be getting worse.

My dad had a 2016 F10 M5 with CCBs and they squealed constantly.

In short, as AHall said above, there's no guarantee they won't.

Interesting to hear otherwise! I wonder if it has anything to do with living in a desert with zero humidity?

[RichF90M5C]

Originally Posted by stever500

You guys are killing me. We ordered Carbon Ceramic Brakes since they produce much less dust and look good. If they constantly squeal my wife is going to be pissed. It's her car. Ughhh.... Can the dealership "fix" this if she hard brakes a lot and they still squeal?

I doubt it. They’ll just say it’s a characteristic of CCB’s.