[micvite]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

It's pretty nuts that that is even the case. When someone made the reference to the color being the cause earlier in the thread, I was convinced it was sarcasm. I understand why now that you guys have explained it, and it certainly makes sense from an engineering perspective. But if you didn't know all that, it really sounds like a joke for such a highly engineered car.

It's a liability thing, bmw can't be bothered to test every single shade of paint, they'll test some serial colors and their offerings of "individual" colors that are really just bmw picking 2 individual colors or so and offering them to everyone. Now what the reasoning is, different colors have different thickness standards and quantity of metallics in the paint so bmw doesn't know how well the radar will penetrate and or recognize another vehicle through said radar on the paints they haven't tested. You can always enable it through coding at your own risk but then bmw won't be liable if you sideswipe someone with auto lane change. It's not that it doesn't work, bmw just doesn't know if it works and doesn't want to find out it doesn't the hard way (trading paint)

[josec70]

Originally Posted by micvite

You most likely have a color that bmw tested and hence isn't really considered individual even though they call it that. (Frozen Bluestone, marina bay blue, etc) a true individual color say purple, voodoo, Verde mantis, etc will have the function decoded from the factory and your order sheet will say 8tr additional functions decoded.

^^^this^^^ on my Individual Chalk it was decoded.

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by micvite

It's a liability thing, bmw can't be bothered to test every single shade of paint, they'll test some serial colors and their offerings of "individual" colors that are really just bmw picking 2 individual colors or so and offering them to everyone. Now what the reasoning is, different colors have different thickness standards and quantity of metallics in the paint so bmw doesn't know how well the radar will penetrate and or recognize another vehicle through said radar on the paints they haven't tested. You can always enable it through coding at your own risk but then bmw won't be liable if you sideswipe someone with auto lane change. It's not that it doesn't work, bmw just doesn't know if it works and doesn't want to find out it doesn't the hard way (trading paint)

Love learning something new on here. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Makes complete sense from a legal perspective as well. I would have incorrectly assumed that all paints were tested, but that is obviously extremely cost prohibitive.

I'm sure there are plenty on here that would take their individual paints over a somewhat gimmicky automatic lane change. It's a cool feature, I have used it every now and then here and there. It's nowhere near the level of your FSD on your Tesla. I don't use the DAP all that much — when I'm changing lanes, I probably want to overtake that person with my own right foot. I really like to actually drive the car, but having it on long drives has been nice.

[micvite]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

Love learning something new on here. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Makes complete sense from a legal perspective as well. I would have incorrectly assumed that all paints were tested, but that is obviously extremely cost prohibitive.

I'm sure there are plenty on here that would take their individual paints over a somewhat gimmicky automatic lane change. It's a cool feature, I have used it every now and then here and there. It's nowhere near the level of your FSD on your Tesla. I don't use the DAP all that much — when I'm changing lanes, I probably want to overtake that person with my own right foot. I really like to actually drive the car, but having it on long drives has been nice.

I'd argue the lane change in the bmw is better that the tesla so is the general lane keep (under 40 no hands on the wheel, higher top speed for assist, being able to maneuver without canceling assist) vs tesla always needs hands on wheel, 85 mph max and as soon as you turn the wheel it cancels.

But yeah they'd Have to test every paint on every car which means they'd have to do a demo car in all those colors most likely.

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by micvite

I'd argue the lane change in the bmw is better that the tesla so is the general lane keep (under 40 no hands on the wheel, higher top speed for assist, being able to maneuver without canceling assist) vs tesla always needs hands on wheel, 85 mph max and as soon as you turn the wheel it cancels.

But yeah they'd Have to test every paint on every car which means they'd have to do a demo car in all those colors most likely.

Interesting to hear from someone who has had both. Sounds like I shouldn't be talking smack about BMW/DAP!

I'm going to play around with it more now that I know this.

[micvite]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

Interesting to hear from someone who has had both. Sounds like I shouldn't be talking smack about BMW/DAP!

I'm going to play around with it more now that I know this.

I mean.... tesla is just scared to turn the wheel lol, it would rather try to slow down mid turn, go out of the lane and crash into a concrete divider than just turning the wheel more 😂. It's like the programming tells it if you're going 85 don't turn the wheels more than 5 degrees, 75 you can do 10 degrees, 65 15 etc. So any decent curve in the road the car just slams the brakes on while almost exiting the lane or even exiting the lane on very sharp curves, before turning the wheel with the brakes still on and then flooring it out of the turn. The bmw will do a decent job at holding the lane up until a certain speed (higher than the tesla in the areas I tested) before simply telling you sorry bro this is all on you! And telling you to take care of the steering. Neither is perfect but the bmw has its pros definitely in terms of smoothness and the traffic jam assist to say the least. Also the handover for disengagement is much better. Tesla is a literal YANK of the wheel to the point the car jerks when it finally gives you control, the bmw is always super smooth in that regard.

[MackSea70]

Originally Posted by micvite

I mean.... tesla is just scared to turn the wheel lol, it would rather try to slow down mid turn, go out of the lane and crash into a concrete divider than just turning the wheel more 😂. It's like the programming tells it if you're going 85 don't turn the wheels more than 5 degrees, 75 you can do 10 degrees, 65 15 etc. So any decent curve in the road the car just slams the brakes on while almost exiting the lane or even exiting the lane on very sharp curves, before turning the wheel with the brakes still on and then flooring it out of the turn. The bmw will do a decent job at holding the lane up until a certain speed (higher than the tesla in the areas I tested) before simply telling you sorry bro this is all on you! And telling you to take care of the steering. Neither is perfect but the bmw has its pros definitely in terms of smoothness and the traffic jam assist to say the least. Also the handover for disengagement is much better. Tesla is a literal YANK of the wheel to the point the car jerks when it finally gives you control, the bmw is always super smooth in that regard.

Agree w a lot of this. We have a model y as well and I’d argue bmw dap is better than autopilot on Tesla. We did not get “full” self drive but we did subscribe for month and didn’t find it to be much better than the auto steer that’s included w the car.

But yes. BMW generally is much smoother in lane control. And I love when a slow poke clears the left lane at 70 and you have dap set on 90 and dap is like gtfo my way I’m going now!