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      12-04-2018, 09:52 PM   #23
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Well I just raced a 2018 911 turbo s and won the race from 0-120, so if you looking for the faster car. I'd rather pay 100k over 180k.

Ps, my m5 is tuned

Also, ps the tuned m5 can keep up with a supercharged hurcane lambo
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I'm actually in the strange boat of cross shopping an M5cp with a new 992 Carrera 4s. It's so strange that these cars compare but there is nothing else that excites me like the 911 that I'd throw my kiddos in the back of... until I get to the M5.

I Love my f80 but my dad has a 991.1 Turbo and the ride on his turbo is actually a better daily ride than the f80 which while not overly harsh struggles to handle certain surfaces well.
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      12-06-2018, 10:45 PM   #25
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I'm actually in the strange boat of cross shopping an M5cp with a new 992 Carrera 4s. It's so strange that these cars compare but there is nothing else that excites me like the 911 that I'd throw my kiddos in the back of... until I get to the M5.

I Love my f80 but my dad has a 991.1 Turbo and the ride on his turbo is actually a better daily ride than the f80 which while not overly harsh struggles to handle certain surfaces well.
The 992 Carrera 4s will be a solid solid ride. Overall performance despite the additional 23 HP and 22 lb ft of torque- the 991.2 was running 11.5 at 121 MPH from Car and Driver - so I am guessing maybe a few tenths and MPH - 11.3 at 123 MPH - as Porsche never tells the truth but will want to half-decently out-do its previous gen. So it is still in the non-CP realm, and slower by a few tenths and MPH on average compared to the F90 M5. Dynamics, the Carrera 4s will be superior - it's simply a weight and length thing. Overall GT car - all season - hard to beat the F90. F90 CP will be quicker still, and the dynamic fight closer, but still in the Porsches favour. I have been within one tenth of a 991.2 Turbo with my CP in a straight line - at almost the same MPH (half MPH off).

Nice place to be - having to make these types of decisions...

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Well I just raced a 2018 911 turbo s and won the race from 0-120, so if you looking for the faster car. I'd rather pay 100k over 180k.

Ps, my m5 is tuned

Also, ps the tuned m5 can keep up with a supercharged hurcane lambo
A supercharged huracan traps over 140mph. I highly doubt an M5 with a tune can run with one///

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      12-08-2018, 09:20 PM   #28
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Well I just raced a 2018 911 turbo s and won the race from 0-120, so if you looking for the faster car. I'd rather pay 100k over 180k.

Ps, my m5 is tuned

Also, ps the tuned m5 can keep up with a supercharged hurcane lambo
A supercharged huracan traps over 140mph. I highly doubt an M5 with a tune can run with one///
A stock 99.12 Turbo S does 0-60 in 2.5 , 0–100 mph in 6 flat , and 10.5@ 132 mph VBOX , zero slope . Most tuned M5's can't touch that . Tuned it's total destruction . With just exhaust my .2 Turbo S was running 10.2 @133 mph and , 7.3 60-130 mph 160 mph 1/2 mile on 93 octane zero slope .
Ps lots of BS in previous fan boy post lol .
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      12-08-2018, 10:04 PM   #29
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A stock 99.12 Turbo S does 0-60 in 2.5 , 0–100 mph in 6 flat , and 10.5@ 132 mph VBOX , zero slope . Most tuned M5's can't touch that . Tuned it's total destruction . With just exhaust my .2 Turbo S was running 10.2 @133 mph and , 7.3 60-130 mph 160 mph 1/2 mile on 93 octane zero slope .
Ps lots of BS in previous fan boy post lol .
That all sounds great. But same day same track no Vbox results do not show that delta. I’ve personally seen a .15 and 2 mph. Vtknight posted the time slips of his Comp and a 991.2. Same track, same day. No Vbox. Hard to dispute that.
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A stock 99.12 Turbo S does 0-60 in 2.5 , 0–100 mph in 6 flat , and 10.5@ 132 mph VBOX , zero slope . Most tuned M5's can't touch that . Tuned it's total destruction . With just exhaust my .2 Turbo S was running 10.2 @133 mph and , 7.3 60-130 mph 160 mph 1/2 mile on 93 octane zero slope .
Ps lots of BS in previous fan boy post lol .
Never seen a Turbo S 991.2 run that quick here in Brazil. It is pretty darn quick I will grant you that, and it is quicker than an M5. But extracting the launch advantage, an M5 F90 Comp keeps up. The numbers suggest so

I know from my experience that a 991.1 Turbo S can not pull on a M5. We pulled from 60-165, and while I had the advantage of slipstream behind him, he couldn't pull away from me. If anything we were neck a neck.

I had raced an 997.2 911 Turbo PDK with my ex F06 M6 GC, and I was side by side with the 911.

911 Turbo's are crazy fast from launch and low speeds but rolling they are not that much faster compared to the quicker products from BMW M.
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991.1 Pure Stock and then tuned :


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      12-09-2018, 12:09 PM   #32
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F90 M5 Pure stock then tuned :

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      12-09-2018, 12:15 PM   #33
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RaceChip sells both platforms and would not skew the results. Stock 100-200 Turbo was slightly quicker as I have seen personally. 0.1 to 0.15. Both tuned, the M5 is slightly quicker. For me, the delta is a wash stock or tuned. Extremely close. Almost bought a Turbo S over the M5 but saw what my buddies Turbo S was running. I really like the Turbo S. The M5 is more comfortable but if the Turbo S was as fast as the GT2RS, I would trade the M5 for it today. They are too close in acceleration to compromise the comfort. M5 is an overachiever !

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      12-09-2018, 12:26 PM   #34
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I personally raced a turbo s 911 with a Cobb tune and pulled on it every time
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      12-09-2018, 01:11 PM   #35
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A stock 99.12 Turbo S does 0-60 in 2.5 , 0–100 mph in 6 flat , and 10.5@ 132 mph VBOX , zero slope . Most tuned M5's can't touch that . Tuned it's total destruction . With just exhaust my .2 Turbo S was running 10.2 @133 mph and , 7.3 60-130 mph 160 mph 1/2 mile on 93 octane zero slope .
Ps lots of BS in previous fan boy post lol .
That all sounds great. But same day same track no Vbox results do not show that delta. I’ve personally seen a .15 and 2 mph. Vtknight posted the time slips of his Comp and a 991.2. Same track, same day. No Vbox. Hard to dispute that.
Big difference between a Turbo and a Turbo S , most people can't tell the difference lol . Also driver mod is important , if you don't use LC it's much slower just like the M5 . Stock vs stock my point is it's not even close in a straight line and on track it's a massacre , can't hide 900 pounds . I much prefer a V8 or a V10 this ive sold mine , but nothing launches like a Turbo S on street tires . 1.5 60 ft all day long . From a roll vs a tuned S63 Tu eclipsed M yes they are very close , my full exhaust 93 octane tuned M6 ran identical 7.3-7.5 60-130 in the same DA and location but was not as consistent in hot weather. But on a certified drag strip an exhaust only .2 Turbo S ran a 10.29 @132 mph on pump. I've yet to see a stock F90 come close to that combo . You can mod anything to be faster than anything of course .
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Big difference between a Turbo and a Turbo S , most people can't tell the difference lol . Also driver mod is important , if you don't use LC it's much slower just like the M5 . Stock vs stock my point is it's not even close in a straight line and on track it's a massacre , can't hide 900 pounds . I much prefer a V8 or a V10 this ive sold mine , but nothing launches like a Turbo S on street tires . 1.5 60 ft all day long . From a roll vs a tuned S63 Tu eclipsed M yes they are very close , my full exhaust 93 octane tuned M6 ran identical 7.3-7.5 60-130 in the same DA and location but was not as consistent in hot weather. But on a certified drag strip an exhaust only .2 Turbo S ran a 10.29 @132 mph on pump. I've yet to see a stock F90 come close to that combo . You can mod anything to be faster than anything of course .
You must have bought a factory ringer. My buddy has owned 3 turbo S and has another on order. He has over 100 NHRA track passes. Closer to 200. Altitude makes a huge difference track to track in my experience. Same track , same day is the real deal. Keep in mind, I’m a big fan of the Turbo S. Would buy one tomorrow if it was as quick as a GT2RS or a 720S. GT2RS is crazy expensive. 720S is decent but zero dealer network in my area.
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The Turbo and Turbo S were similar in 991.1.
991.2 is a whole new ball game and both Turbos are considerably faster. Nevertheless 991.1 Turbo or Turbo S are M5 non Comp fast. M5 Comp is almost on pair with 991.2 Turbo S and is as fast as 991.2 Turbo.

The M5 has better gearing ratios and more torque. It may weigh around 300kg more but it is more potent. And I believe the M5 has better aerodynamics. It is a tough race
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991.2 Pure Stock and then tuned :

Maybe get your facts straight, this is a 991.1 Turbo S.

991.2 Turbo S is considerably quicker, but then you know that
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Maybe get your facts straight, this is a 991.1 Turbo S.

991.2 Turbo S is considerably quicker, but then you know that
Mine are straight. Two (as in more than 1) are nearby. Both 991.2 Turbo S. Also one 991.1 Turbo S. Both series are great rides. Closer in performance than is repp’d.
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Maybe get your facts straight, this is a 991.1 Turbo S.

991.2 Turbo S is considerably quicker, but then you know that
You are correct, that is a 991.1.
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C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 2.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 6.6 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 11.1 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 15.9 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.2 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 10.9 sec @ 129 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 163 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 147 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.98 g
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991.TWO Turbo S
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 2.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 6.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 10.6 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 14.9 sec
Zero to 170 mph: 21.5 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.5 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.2 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 10.6 sec @ 130 mph
Top speed (mfr's claim, drag limited): 205 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 144 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.01 g
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991.ONE Turbo S
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 2.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 6.5 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 16.5 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 10.8 sec @ 126 mph
Top speed (drag limited, mfr's est): 198 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 144 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.09 g
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Same magazine. Same test standards. Sadly, not the same day.

Turbo S is a bad dude. The delta just isn't enough for the tradeoffs vs a M5 "for me". Add a RaceChip to the M5 and it's there.

Problem is, I like the Turbo S. Would buy one tomorrow and accept the trade offs IF it was an overachiever. I don't care about road circuit handling as long as my weekender handles good. I don't care about sensory metrics. I want comfort and blunt force trauma acceleration. Plus a dealer network, etc. Porsche needs to put GT2RS power in the Turbo S. Then it would be an overachiever.
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