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12-23-2020, 10:21 AM | #3 |
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I cannot confirm as I have the 2018 non comp, but this same comment has been made about the steering in reviewsof the F90 M5s since the 2018 was released.
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I'm sure I would get a better feel for the car with time, but I just couldn't find the limits like I can in my F80, nor as quickly as I can if I jump in an F87 after not touching one for a few months. The nice thing is that I didn't feel as much of an itch to drive it at the limits like I do in my F80. Really, it's sort of the point, it's just a game of compromise, you can't have amazing steering feel with a car that's also smooth and quiet on the roads. The things I love about my F80 directly cause the things I hate about my F80, stupid physics and such. I'd say there are varying degrees of it, straight pipes review of the F87 M2CS seemed to be one of the only reviews of a modern BMW where they at least said they got it right.
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I'd say that's pretty accurate from the bimmers I've tested. Surprisingly the best BMW steering I think is in the Supra.
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Think of it as the best AMG saloon ever made and then this car makes sense.
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12-23-2020, 04:42 PM | #9 |
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Thomas daily drives and e46 m3. Yes the m5 or any modern BMW with electric steering is going to feel numb compared to that.
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Well yes, but he's also driven the entire class of cars, as well as hundreds of new cars with EPS. He mentioned in the video even compared to its competitors (E63, RS6) that the steering was lacking, he's not comparing it to hydraulic vehicles but also other EPS vehicles within the class.
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But the black and pink on the eAMG ..? What the hell is that?!
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Apparently they never drove the f10 M5 or the e60. LCI F90 is by far the closest as far as steering feedback to my favorite e39 M5. I think F90 is by far much better than F10.
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So they say a 3 second 0 to 60. Elsewhere I here 2.6. Which is it?
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Part of the reason Thomas liked the CS steering was also because of the more natural weighting, however they never actually stated it to be communicative. BMW has had trouble over the years with both communication and weighting with their EPS, example: sport steering settings would add unnecessarily synthetic heft to the wheel with no additional feedback. I believe BMW uses ZF steering racks. Cadillac also uses these racks in the prior generation ATS-V and they are on the other end of the spectrum with great feedback and weighting. Its all down to the tuning I believe. This is a great article from C/D which explains BMW's EPS steering design. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...steering-feel/
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0-60 is quoted at 3.0 seconds from BMW, of course BMW also underrates their numbers.
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2.9s are the fastest stock times I've seen. With a JB4, I consistently ran 2.57s per Dragy. ECU tunes combined with bolt-ons can lower that number further.
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I imagine there will be a time you will be able to alter the steering to your liking far more than you can now.
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