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      08-14-2017, 07:55 PM   #45
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This is the ltd Edition First Edition M5 now being shown at previews more recently one in Munich.
Here it is with Frozen Royal Burgandy Red exclusive to the M5 First Edition.


Marketing at its finest.

Anyway, excited about the new M5

If anything, because I'll be able to afford an F10 M5
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If you have a keen eye, you'll notice the new G32 6GT shares a more similar front end with the upcoming M5 as opposed to the regular M-Sport G30.

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I have no problem with an AWD m5 its smart. AWD m3 idk
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I have no problem with an AWD m5 its smart. AWD m3 idk
If you can turn it off I guess it will come in handy when you really need it if they can get the weight down enough.
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I have no problem with an AWD m5 its smart. AWD m3 idk
If you can turn it off I guess it will come in handy when you really need it if they can get the weight down enough.
Agreed, but you can never get the weight down enough in a true drivers car (ie m3)
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I have no problem with an AWD m5 its smart. AWD m3 idk
If you can turn it off I guess it will come in handy when you really need it if they can get the weight down enough.
Agreed, but you can never get the weight down enough in a true drivers car (ie m3)
If they use a carbon tub they can.
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Anyone else think this car looks way too conservative?

I mean, it's going to be the fastest M, ever. AWD. 600hp. AMG & RS beater.

Where is the anger in that face?
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This is the ltd Edition First Edition M5 now being shown at previews more recently one in Munich.
Here it is with Frozen Royal Burgandy Red exclusive to the M5 First Edition.
Limited edition first edition. Is ///M taking a page from the Mercedes book? Not to mention it doesn't make sense. Every car is a limited edition with that rhetoric.

On another note, needs some spacers.
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It's a deal brother.

I'm not saying that the new ZF8 in the F90 M5 is going to be slow, quite the contrary. But I am simply stating that it will not be as fast as the DCT. Even in the Auto in the Vette Z06 is lightning fast, but the transmission in the CTS-V is terrible. The same can be compared to the MDCT and the PDK. The PDK in the 911GT3RS and the 918 Spyder are world class transmissions, so insanely fast and smooth, you can't even believe it. The MDCT is almost an entirely different transmission to the PDK, were they not both Dual Clutch.

The ZF8 doesn't bother me that much with the new M5, I agree with M Division in that ZF8 will be able to hold the torque better, it's a lot of the other little stuff that kills it for me. Side view mirrors look too similar to F80 M3's, same exhaust note from F10 M5 because its the same engine setup, floating iDrive screen design, headlights touching the front grille, door panels not made out of carbon fiber, still no word if the hood is going to be carbon fiber and the same with the crankshaft, and generally no innovative technologies besides the new ///M xDrive system. Where's my Active Aerodynamics, where's my Electric Turbos, where's my KERS system, where's my camless engine design, where's my laser headlights, where's any kind of new innovative technology beside a trick AWD system? The F10 M5 was innovative in that they used 2 turbos inside of the V on a V8 engine, no-one practically produced that before, now Audi and Mercedes are doing the same thing. Then Mercedes beats the new F90 M5 to market with trick AWD system of their own in the new E63S which is on sale today. The F90 will be the fastest M5 ever, but only because they are just now introducing a setup which Nissan figured out 10 years ago, by combing AWD with Twin Turbo engine. At least Mercedes is trying out new stuff by developing the innovative M256 engine and going to performance based hybrid electric setups for near future AMG models, like the new upcoming CLS53 AMG.

Ok that should be enough dissenting for the moment

But seriously, those side view mirrors on the M5, seriously M Division??! You can't come up with any OTHER design????


I totally agree with you RPIM5... It's great that the next-gen M5 is finally upon us, but what a disappointment that BMW M could not do better than a slightly upgraded V8TT and an auto tranny!!! They added better traction management with a slick AWD system, whoopty-doo. This generation of M5 is with us for another 6 years?! It's a joke IMO. The BMW M2 showed that M-div still had a soul. This tells me that M-div is losing its budget and heart to X-div. I realize many of you may say "fine, don't buy one." That's the last thing BMW should want to read. I have owned the last two gen's of M5 and M3s and if you can't convince a guy like me to roll over to a new one, there's a problem in Dingolfing... Booooo
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They only changed because they don't have a transmission that can handle that much torque. The ZF8HP is a well known transmission at this point, and it shifts in a respectable ~200ms, which is good but a far cry from a DSG, PDK, DTC, or even the old SMG, which are all well under 100ms. It's just a trade off for power.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_time
There are several different versions of the zf8 transmission. We don't know the spec code the m5 one yet. I am pretty sure it will surprise with the shifting times
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Limited addition first addition of all the limited-edition additions.

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This is the ltd Edition First Edition M5 now being shown at previews more recently one in Munich.
Here it is with Frozen Royal Burgandy Red exclusive to the M5 First Edition.
Limited edition first edition. Is ///M taking a page from the Mercedes book? Not to mention it doesn't make sense. Every car is a limited edition with that rhetoric.

On another note, needs some spacers.
Limited because few people are going to want that nasty colour.

They should've just left the paint off and let it rust.
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It's a deal brother.

I'm not saying that the new ZF8 in the F90 M5 is going to be slow, quite the contrary. But I am simply stating that it will not be as fast as the DCT. Even in the Auto in the Vette Z06 is lightning fast, but the transmission in the CTS-V is terrible. The same can be compared to the MDCT and the PDK. The PDK in the 911GT3RS and the 918 Spyder are world class transmissions, so insanely fast and smooth, you can't even believe it. The MDCT is almost an entirely different transmission to the PDK, were they not both Dual Clutch.

The ZF8 doesn't bother me that much with the new M5, I agree with M Division in that ZF8 will be able to hold the torque better, it's a lot of the other little stuff that kills it for me. Side view mirrors look too similar to F80 M3's, same exhaust note from F10 M5 because its the same engine setup, floating iDrive screen design, headlights touching the front grille, door panels not made out of carbon fiber, still no word if the hood is going to be carbon fiber and the same with the crankshaft, and generally no innovative technologies besides the new ///M xDrive system. Where's my Active Aerodynamics, where's my Electric Turbos, where's my KERS system, where's my camless engine design, where's my laser headlights, where's any kind of new innovative technology beside a trick AWD system? The F10 M5 was innovative in that they used 2 turbos inside of the V on a V8 engine, no-one practically produced that before, now Audi and Mercedes are doing the same thing. Then Mercedes beats the new F90 M5 to market with trick AWD system of their own in the new E63S which is on sale today. The F90 will be the fastest M5 ever, but only because they are just now introducing a setup which Nissan figured out 10 years ago, by combing AWD with Twin Turbo engine. At least Mercedes is trying out new stuff by developing the innovative M256 engine and going to performance based hybrid electric setups for near future AMG models, like the new upcoming CLS53 AMG.

Ok that should be enough dissenting for the moment

But seriously, those side view mirrors on the M5, seriously M Division??! You can't come up with any OTHER design????


I totally agree with you RPIM5... It's great that the next-gen M5 is finally upon us, but what a disappointment that BMW M could not do better than a slightly upgraded V8TT and an auto tranny!!! They added better traction management with a slick AWD system, whoopty-doo. This generation of M5 is with us for another 6 years?! It's a joke IMO. The BMW M2 showed that M-div still had a soul. This tells me that M-div is losing its budget and heart to X-div. I realize many of you may say "fine, don't buy one." That's the last thing BMW should want to read. I have owned the last two gen's of M5 and M3s and if you can't convince a guy like me to roll over to a new one, there's a problem in Dingolfing... Booooo
Too soon for firm opinions on the car... not too soon for firm opinions on that launch color (blah)
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It's a deal brother.

I'm not saying that the new ZF8 in the F90 M5 is going to be slow, quite the contrary. But I am simply stating that it will not be as fast as the DCT. Even in the Auto in the Vette Z06 is lightning fast, but the transmission in the CTS-V is terrible. The same can be compared to the MDCT and the PDK. The PDK in the 911GT3RS and the 918 Spyder are world class transmissions, so insanely fast and smooth, you can't even believe it. The MDCT is almost an entirely different transmission to the PDK, were they not both Dual Clutch.

The ZF8 doesn't bother me that much with the new M5, I agree with M Division in that ZF8 will be able to hold the torque better, it's a lot of the other little stuff that kills it for me. Side view mirrors look too similar to F80 M3's, same exhaust note from F10 M5 because its the same engine setup, floating iDrive screen design, headlights touching the front grille, door panels not made out of carbon fiber, still no word if the hood is going to be carbon fiber and the same with the crankshaft, and generally no innovative technologies besides the new ///M xDrive system. Where's my Active Aerodynamics, where's my Electric Turbos, where's my KERS system, where's my camless engine design, where's my laser headlights, where's any kind of new innovative technology beside a trick AWD system? The F10 M5 was innovative in that they used 2 turbos inside of the V on a V8 engine, no-one practically produced that before, now Audi and Mercedes are doing the same thing. Then Mercedes beats the new F90 M5 to market with trick AWD system of their own in the new E63S which is on sale today. The F90 will be the fastest M5 ever, but only because they are just now introducing a setup which Nissan figured out 10 years ago, by combing AWD with Twin Turbo engine. At least Mercedes is trying out new stuff by developing the innovative M256 engine and going to performance based hybrid electric setups for near future AMG models, like the new upcoming CLS53 AMG.

Ok that should be enough dissenting for the moment

But seriously, those side view mirrors on the M5, seriously M Division??! You can't come up with any OTHER design????


I totally agree with you RPIM5... It's great that the next-gen M5 is finally upon us, but what a disappointment that BMW M could not do better than a slightly upgraded V8TT and an auto tranny!!! They added better traction management with a slick AWD system, whoopty-doo. This generation of M5 is with us for another 6 years?! It's a joke IMO. The BMW M2 showed that M-div still had a soul. This tells me that M-div is losing its budget and heart to X-div. I realize many of you may say "fine, don't buy one." That's the last thing BMW should want to read. I have owned the last two gen's of M5 and M3s and if you can't convince a guy like me to roll over to a new one, there's a problem in Dingolfing... Booooo
Too soon for firm opinions on the car... not too soon for firm opinions on that launch color (blah)
I agree.

No Bueno !!
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I remember when we hoped (dreamed) all this cost cutting and platform sharing meant more money for M cars R&D. Boy was that wrong.
It's literally a lipsticked 550iS M Sport xDrive. That's exactly what this "M5" is.

AWD and a 8spd slushbox, FOH. Explain why EVERY other high performance vehicle still uses a DCT then? If the ZF8 is sooooo good, why has Porsche/Ferrari/Lambo/AMG not adopted it? Because it's not.

I for one can't wait for the bullshit laden press release, it'll be hilarious.
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No air breathing?
It will most likely have the typical vent á la M, like they have had since the e60. As for the lower air breathers, F8x loses them as well, nothing new there.
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Auto trannies have gone very far in technology since couple years ago.
BMW M would never put a standard slow/laggy auto trans in their flagship M model. I am pretty sure that once you all drive the car you will be positively surprised. I know DCT has a cool factor, but BMW didn't do the switch for no reason. We've all seen couple videos of pro drivers driving these cars and there was no complaints in the trans dept. The car is lighter, faster, the front end looks awesome and aggressive and it has a really cool differential system with switchable drives.
I am not so confident about the performance benefits of switching transmissions but will reserve judgment on the matter till the all proving drive. Anyway; at this point the car is on order and hopefully it will be everything that was promised.
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I'm sure M guys done the researches, and it's all about the proper segmentation that M5 is supposedly to be luxurious super saloon rather than a super car
Leave the track racer status to smaller bros like M3/M4 and M2
M5 is all about luxury and practicality so ZF auto and x drives all being reasonable
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I'm sure M guys done the researches, and it's all about the proper segmentation that M5 is supposedly to be luxurious super saloon rather than a super car
Leave the track racer status to smaller bros like M3/M4 and M2
M5 is all about luxury and practicality so ZF auto and x drives all being reasonable
Yeah, the fact that both the new E63S and Panamera Turbo are heavier than the previous generation tells you it's about luxury more than nimble sedan in this segment.
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Stupid question: why is the new M5 still using the F code instead of G?
BMW separated the M from the normal line with the current M3/4 so it is expected for them to do the same All of them seem to be in the F80-F99 area.
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