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      04-05-2020, 07:27 AM   #1
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Having fun with powerslides - MDM vs 2WD w/o DSC?

Hey,

The streets are empty nowadays, especially at night, so I've been having some fun night drives, trying to get into some corners sideways.

I'm wondering what's your preferred setting for the hooligan mode. I'm not very experienced with RWD cars, so 2WD + DSC off is overwhelming for me, especially since my F90 is tuned to Stage 2, so there's a lot of power and things get scary/uncontrollable really quickly. I'm much more comfortable with MDM, although the slides I'm capable of doing don't seem super impressive.

I'm wondering, a) what's your preferred set up, b) can you do those super long, rubber-burning slides with MDM on? c) any resources (youtube tutorials?) to help me with technique?


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      04-05-2020, 09:06 AM   #2
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MDM mode will only allow for a certain amount of slip from the rear diff before cutting power. If you get it right (just right amount of wheel spin and angle) the car will slide slightly until the electronics step in. Fun but not hooligan fun.

If you shut off the TC fully you can of course spin the car out if you are not careful or have good car control skills under a drift.

Find a parking lot with plenty of room, turn off the TC or go into 2wd, turn the wheel to a little less than half lock and give the car 2/3 throttle. Back end will come around and you have to play with steering input vs throttle to keep the slide going.

Watch Drift videos on YouTube there are plenty of "how to" vids out there but so many people watch top gear and assume they can put a car into a full drift and recover correctly as to not send the car into a wall...harder than it looks!

Get some practice in but keep in it MDM on the street for sure. Good luck!
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      04-05-2020, 12:01 PM   #3
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Obviously the M5 has more power, but nonetheless a great video:

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      04-05-2020, 04:41 PM   #4
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MDM is great, but don't think it will stop you kissing a tree - it can still get your arse chewing the seat in a corner!
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Yep in (Euro) MDM you can get past "yeah this is fun" and head towards "yikes!!" pretty quickly.
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Yep in (Euro) MDM you can get past "yeah this is fun" and head towards "yikes!!" pretty quickly.
I know there was a difference between Euro and North American MDM settings in the E92 M3. Is there still a difference now in our M5's?
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I know there was a difference between Euro and North American MDM settings in the E92 M3. Is there still a difference now in our M5's?
I have no idea how much trouble you can get into in a USA M5 in MDM... but certainly in the dry (in a UK car) making a right turn out of a road junction in MDM you can quickly get well past the point where countersteering alone will keep it under control and you need to ease off the throttle.
It seems harder to control than my E92 M3s were...but it could just be I'm not countersteering fast enough with the M5....I'd practice more but the rear tyres already seem to be rapidly wearing down as it is!
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This thread brings me joy 😁
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Hey,

The streets are empty nowadays, especially at night, so I've been having some fun night drives, trying to get into some corners sideways.

I'm wondering what's your preferred setting for the hooligan mode. I'm not very experienced with RWD cars, so 2WD + DSC off is overwhelming for me, especially since my F90 is tuned to Stage 2, so there's a lot of power and things get scary/uncontrollable really quickly. I'm much more comfortable with MDM, although the slides I'm capable of doing don't seem super impressive.

I'm wondering, a) what's your preferred set up, b) can you do those super long, rubber-burning slides with MDM on? c) any resources (youtube tutorials?) to help me with technique?


Thanks!
You cannot drift with MDM on. Slide out yes, but drift no.

Drift is all about your right foot, modulation with your gas pedal, it's very counterintuitive at first because your first instinct when the car slide out is to lift off the pedal.

Best practice on an empty parking lot.
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Hey,

The streets are empty nowadays, especially at night, so I've been having some fun night drives, trying to get into some corners sideways.

I'm wondering what's your preferred setting for the hooligan mode. I'm not very experienced with RWD cars, so 2WD + DSC off is overwhelming for me, especially since my F90 is tuned to Stage 2, so there's a lot of power and things get scary/uncontrollable really quickly. I'm much more comfortable with MDM, although the slides I'm capable of doing don't seem super impressive.

I'm wondering, a) what's your preferred set up, b) can you do those super long, rubber-burning slides with MDM on? c) any resources (youtube tutorials?) to help me with technique?


Thanks!
Take ALL sensors off or is not going to work or give you the thrill you're looking for. But it's all on the throttle and spin you get going. Don't just floor the pedal, try to get the spin, let go off throttle, rotate the direction you want it to go, give throttle again to keep spin going, then do it all over again. Sometimes is best if you want to drift on a circle to keep it on 2nd gear instead of 1st. Get a good feel for the weight of the car and you'll find yourself drifting quickly. Car has a ton of torque, but yes, like someone said earlier, make sure you have plenty of room in the event you find yourself drifting with no control. Here are a few shots of my car. I have a video but you can't load video here
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Take ALL sensors off or is not going to work or give you the thrill you're looking for. But it's all on the throttle and spin you get going. Don't just floor the pedal, try to get the spin, let go off throttle, rotate the direction you want it to go, give throttle again to keep spin going, then do it all over again. Sometimes is best if you want to drift on a circle to keep it on 2nd gear instead of 1st. Get a good feel for the weight of the car and you'll find yourself drifting quickly. Car has a ton of torque, but yes, like someone said earlier, make sure you have plenty of room in the event you find yourself drifting with no control. Here are a few shots of my car. I have a video but you can't load video here
Can you post the link?
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Take ALL sensors off or is not going to work or give you the thrill you're looking for. But it's all on the throttle and spin you get going. Don't just floor the pedal, try to get the spin, let go off throttle, rotate the direction you want it to go, give throttle again to keep spin going, then do it all over again. Sometimes is best if you want to drift on a circle to keep it on 2nd gear instead of 1st. Get a good feel for the weight of the car and you'll find yourself drifting quickly. Car has a ton of torque, but yes, like someone said earlier, make sure you have plenty of room in the event you find yourself drifting with no control. Here are a few shots of my car. I have a video but you can't load video here
Can you post the link?
Not sure if this will work, but see link below. Fast forward to about minute 1:08


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ala...1Mss9v1kP/view
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Not sure if this will work, but see link below. Fast forward to about minute 1:08


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ala...1Mss9v1kP/view
It worked and I watched the entire video... twice! That's a whole movie trailer right there! Sick car/cars and awesome quality! 👌🤤
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Not sure if this will work, but see link below. Fast forward to about minute 1:08


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ala...1Mss9v1kP/view
It worked and I watched the entire video... twice! That's a whole movie trailer right there! Sick car/cars and awesome quality! 👌🤤
Thanks man! Had some fun doing it. Gets a little long at the end with the rollers though. We hired a college student who is starting his production company and he did a solid job.
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