[NV GUNS]

Originally Posted by OCfromOC

There's just something so pleasantly violent in that F10 M5 video that's completely missing from the F90 video.

Yeah like the view of the gauge cluster under full power on the new M5? the F10 video was great.

[M5007]

Originally Posted by allen3ybq

Wow love that new "M1" "M2" button design!

I am willing to pay just to have my M5 retrofitted

[sor]

The car is fast *despite* the transmission.

Not that it's a bad transmission, per se, it's good for an auto but it is still no double clutch. Still, for a big lumbering powerful luxury car it's just fine, people aren't generally trying to throw these things around a tight track.

[Zach335i]

New gauges look like a video game in driver view

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by somer

From what I can tell (again this is all an assumption) is that when in Launch Control upshifts happen automatically even in manual mode, so what the driver did was upshift like RIGHT after the car automatically upshifted into 2nd, so thats when it went to 3rd quickly, then hit the paddle again so it went to 4th. From my eye he only hit the paddle twice even though his finger gestures look like he hit it more than once.

Why BMW would put out such a confusing video in terms of paddle control, launch control and such is beyond me. Not to mention the one launch from behind the car when it bucks the 1 to 2 shift to somehow demonstrate it doesnt auto upshift at redline (I would sure hope not). I'd rather see the full 1-2 shift to see how it compares to that terrible M550i video that was posted of the guy at the drag strip and how his car bucked on the 1-2 shift bad.

Here's the video I'm referencing on how bad the ZF8 is in the M550. Whole car bucks like he has a manual transmission...

That's just soft suspension.

[Win]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

That's just soft suspension.

That sounds like a fn lawn mower

[allen3ybq]

Originally Posted by M5007

I am willing to pay just to have my M5 retrofitted

lol I was thinking about the same thing for my M3 haha

[sdshah]

Originally Posted by Win

That sounds like a fn lawn mower

All BMW's do

[scflaw]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

The 0-60 debate has always fascinated me. Why do you want it to be quicker?
It's like competing on who can ejaculate the quickest. Idiots!

As the old saying goes

"The one who ejaculates the fastest and the most, shall bear the most children."

[N & M]

Originally Posted by allen3ybq

Wow love that new "M1" "M2" button design!

Why on Earth did they shrink the shift paddles to the size the normally use with their conventional line cars?

[Halewafa]

Originally Posted by somer

From what I can tell (again this is all an assumption) is that when in Launch Control upshifts happen automatically even in manual mode, so what the driver did was upshift like RIGHT after the car automatically upshifted into 2nd, so thats when it went to 3rd quickly, then hit the paddle again so it went to 4th. From my eye he only hit the paddle twice even though his finger gestures look like he hit it more than once.

Thats exactly what I thought, but apparently everyone else says thats wrong...

[ASAP]

its fast but not nearly as violent / dramatic / dynamic or engaging

[michal12]

Was there a wheelspin even with xDrive?
EDIT: oh I messed up the videos, scrap this comment.

[Bowser330]

Originally Posted by scflaw

As the old saying goes

"The one who ejaculates the fastest and the most, shall bear the most children."

[somer]

Originally Posted by Halewafa

Thats exactly what I thought, but apparently everyone else says thats wrong...

Yeah, pretty sure that's what happened. Another thing this highlights is how short these gear ratios are, especially compared to the DCT which had super long gear ratios compared to most DCT boxes, even the M3/M4. Some of the gears are even shorter than the new MB 9speed box. --- If anyone watched that M3/Quadrifolgio video with Jethro @ Drivetribe, one of his main complaints about the Quadrifolgio around angelsey was the gear ratios and he could never find the right gear, well the M5 has the exact same ratios. Not that it really matters in the end, just something to note.

[beMtroubleYou]

Originally Posted by SliChillax

None of the newer automatics upshift automatically in manual mode. My M235i will stay at the redline if I don't manually shift.

Mine makes a shift eventually.. in sport+ tho. Maybe DSC needs to be totally off.

[raysspl]

Which one will last longer though, after repeated abuse?

[phoenixbmwlife]

Every time a new M car comes out with a new technology the purists come out and cause a riot.

Remember when the E92 M3 was unveiled with a V8? So many people complained about it.
Remember when the F10 M5 lost the V10? So many people complained about that too.
And now the new M5 does not have a DCT gear box and it's happening again.

If history repeats itself and it always does this too will be just fine.

[mundo74]

Originally Posted by phoenixbmwlife

Every time a new M car comes out with a new technology the purists come out and cause a riot.

Remember when the E92 M3 was unveiled with a V8? So many people complained about it.
Remember when the F10 M5 lost the V10? So many people complained about that too.
And now the new M5 does not have a DCT gear box and it's happening again.

If history repeats itself and it always does this too will be just fine.

just the opposite. The zf8 is old technology and its not better than the dct it replaced.

[Munichm3]

Originally Posted by phoenixbmwlife

Every time a new M car comes out with a new technology the purists come out and cause a riot.

Remember when the E92 M3 was unveiled with a V8? So many people complained about it.
Remember when the F10 M5 lost the V10? So many people complained about that too.
And now the new M5 does not have a DCT gear box and it's happening again.

If history repeats itself and it always does this too will be just fine.

The thing is, the ZF isn't even an upgrade, you think BMW did this for an upgrade? BMW did this strictly so they can have the same transmission on their line up. It's less r&d for them. Also say goodbye to the manual as well.

One thing I liked about the DCT is how engaging it feels compared to the ZF 8 speed. One reason why I went BMW and not a c63 at the time was because how crap the gearbox was on the benz. The BMW with the DCT was outstanding for the price of the car. It has also shown itself to be bulletproof as well.

In the end, it's about BMW making more profits. They're a business, what can you expect? The main consumer market is the target, not the enthusiast. That's what they threw the m2 for.

[DarthColin]

Originally Posted by mundo74

just the opposite. The zf8 is old technology and its not better than the dct it replaced.

I think if you go to the zf website, and read about it, you'll see that it is a fairly sophisticated piece of machinery. There is no doubt that BMW chose this route due to economies of scale, less R&D costs; just less cost period. That's the way corporations work. I just test drove an M550, and if the M5 transmission is better that that, I'll be impressed.

[DarthColin]

Originally Posted by ASAP

its fast but not nearly as violent / dramatic / dynamic or engaging

I believe that's the point, at least partly, in not going with the dct. Disclosure: I have very limited mileage driving any DCT, let alone a BMW product. I hear and read lots of stories about them being herky jerky at low speeds. If that's the case, and I spill my Starbucks every time I leave the parking lot, I'll get sick of DCT really fast. I want a 5-series because I have a family, and I want an M model because I want a big brother to my 1M, and to brag to my Mopar friends that I have access to 600 hp.

Q and A time: Does it have a vastly new and different engine? No. Does it have a V10 or V12? Also no. Does it post better numbers than the F10? Yes. Does it have a DCT? No. But will the ZF8 be better, overall, in real world driving situations? Probably. On a track? Probably not. Does it look better than the F10? I think they both look awesome.

Anyway, that's me trying to justify my thoughts on the changes.