10-28-2020, 04:46 PM | #2 |
Ring Leader of G8X Haters
![]() 25051
Rep 8,761
Posts |
I love the E34 wagon. Its such a rare, almost non-existent sight, but they are awesome. I still love this M5 "Elektra" Touring from BAT. Just beautiful.
![]() ![]() https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-bmw-m5-2/
__________________
Current Garage: 2022 Mercedes-Benz S 580 / 2023 Genesis GV70 2.5T / 2007 Mercedes-Benz E 350 / 1999 Mazda MX-5 Miata
Retired: '95 E36 325i 5MT / '04 E46 330i 6MT / '05 E83 X3 3.0i / '11 E90 335xi / '17 G30 540i / '19 F87 M2C 6MT / '19 MB CLS 53 / '20 MB GLC 300 |
10-28-2020, 06:56 PM | #4 |
Brigadier General
![]() 2644
Rep 3,393
Posts |
What is it with the internet world's obsession with wagons? If even 5% of the people online who claim to love wagons actually bought them, there would be a market for them.
I'm not the type who clips my phone to the waistband of cargo pants, so perhaps I'll never understand... |
Appreciate
3
|
10-28-2020, 10:44 PM | #5 | |
Lieutenant General
![]() ![]() ![]() 11542
Rep 11,128
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
2
Dog Face Pony Soldier9719.50 StatenEye525.50 |
10-29-2020, 12:25 AM | #6 | |
Brigadier General
![]() 3046
Rep 3,899
Posts |
Quote:
https://youtu.be/q-zaJh3R-Vw |
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-29-2020, 01:37 AM | #7 |
Major
![]() ![]() 2498
Rep 1,443
Posts
Drives: 2023 G81 M3 Touring
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Melbourne, Australia
|
I love a wagon, but the extra ground clearance on an SUV is handy, so it just makes more sense.
Also here in Aus, we don’t get a lot of the nice wagon options (though we are getting the new M3 Touring!). |
Appreciate
0
|
10-29-2020, 11:45 AM | #9 |
Captain
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1067
Rep 943
Posts
Drives: e92 335i, f22 m235i, e30 325is
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Diego
|
I'm jealous. You guys get the fun zippy cars that had no market here in the US. so they were never sold here. I saw some very nice hot hatches during travels. I wanted a Scirocco R for a long time. Hell for a long time, the euro spec Ford Focuses were way better than what we got here in the states
|
Appreciate
1
Murf99314114.00 |
10-29-2020, 12:02 PM | #10 | ||
Lieutenant General
![]() ![]() ![]() 7436
Rep 12,293
Posts |
Quote:
Quote:
Why do I love them? I grew up in Europe so my idea of a wagon was never the ones with wood paneling on the side. If anything, I find the wagons more attractive than the sedans most of the time. As far as the US market, we weren't even offered with the options other markets were. For example, E61 only came here with xdrive, or E91 never had the N54/55 available ect... Regardless, there clearly is a market for them. Do you guys have any idea how much a 6MT E91 with Msport go for these days?
__________________
Current:
16 F82 M4 GTS, Black Sapphire/Black, DCT 08 E92 M3, Sparkling Graphite/Bamboo Beige, 6MT 07 E85 Z4M Roadster, Alpine White/Red, 6MT 99 E36 M3, Techno Violet/Dove Grey, 6MT |
||
Appreciate
0
|
10-29-2020, 12:02 PM | #11 | |
Brigadier General
![]() 1538
Rep 3,332
Posts |
Quote:
Case in point: -A Jaguar XF Sportbrake with the supercharged V6 starts at $72k -The same basic package in F-Pace SUV guise with the same drivetrain starts at $62k. Nearly a $10K difference to get LESS sheet metal and ground clearance. BMW did the same thing by sandbagging their wagons for years. They have not sold a performance variant of a wagon in YEARS. You want an E91? There were a few people lucky enough to get a 328 with RWD and a stick and those cars still fetch a premium. The F30 got nerfed and only got the automatic, 4 cyl AWD version. If I could have gotten a RWD F30 wagon with the I6 I would have done it in a heart beat zero questions asked. But I couldn't justify spending more for less car. Americans have a craze with SUV's and BMW is happy to let us indulge in that because they build them all here anyways. It's a lot easier for them to manufacture and sell those products domestically then it is to import and certify wagons, let alone boutique wagons for enthusiasts. A 6Spd CTS-V wagon will still sell for $60K almost regardless of mileage at this point because it's a proper sports thing. I see a decent amount of E63S Wagons here in the northeast as well. Unfortunately BMW killed it by pricing their products wrong and making a shitty offering and then claiming "oh the take rate is low so we'll get rid of them entirely". I'd give a testicle for a M5 Touring.
__________________
Current: '20 X5, '18 M3 ZCP
Previous: '11 E90 335i, '11 E90 M3, '16 VW GTI, '15 M235i, '13 335i, '08 TL-S, '00 Corvette |
|
10-29-2020, 12:07 PM | #12 | |
Lieutenant General
![]() ![]() ![]() 7436
Rep 12,293
Posts |
Quote:
No different than Europeans thinking Americans are nuts for spending $70k+ on trucks. Yet they still sell them by the millions. Just because they don't get doesn't mean it can't be a thing.
__________________
Current:
16 F82 M4 GTS, Black Sapphire/Black, DCT 08 E92 M3, Sparkling Graphite/Bamboo Beige, 6MT 07 E85 Z4M Roadster, Alpine White/Red, 6MT 99 E36 M3, Techno Violet/Dove Grey, 6MT |
|
Appreciate
1
Murf99314114.00 |
10-29-2020, 12:09 PM | #13 | |
Captain
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1103
Rep 736
Posts
Drives: Lexus RC F
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Florida
|
Quote:
![]()
__________________
Estoril Blue E36M3
Mineral Grey M235ix/12.02 @ 115 Ultra White Lexus RC F ![]() |
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-29-2020, 12:23 PM | #14 |
Colonel
![]() 1310
Rep 2,349
Posts |
My previous car was a C63 W204 Estate and I've also had a few Legnum VR-4s (I'd be VERY impressed if someone in the USA knew what that was)
So I have put my money where my mouth is in the past. Whats next for me? I don't know yet, while I love the M6 I do think sometimes that an F31 6MT 335i would be a good car to have with the M6, or maybe I could get a B5 Touring then an M2 CS, that'd be a fun combo too. If there was an F11 M5 Touring I'd absolutely have one.
__________________
SCOTT26 "So as an admirer of the M5 and a potential customer of an M5 Touring. I would run naked around the streets of Garching if they were to offer one."
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-29-2020, 01:37 PM | #15 |
Lieutenant
![]() ![]() ![]() 1709
Rep 532
Posts |
That M5 estate is gorgeous and a perfect blend of performance and practicality. Back when performance wagons mattered. Now most buyers would just get a Panamera SB or a Trackhawk and call it a day.
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-29-2020, 02:47 PM | #16 |
Lieutenant General
![]() ![]() ![]() 11542
Rep 11,128
Posts |
I've never heard a European say that buying a $70K truck is nuts. And you can happily get whatever American truck you want in Europe. Plenty of places sell them.
|
Appreciate
0
|
10-29-2020, 03:33 PM | #19 |
Brigadier General
![]() 3046
Rep 3,899
Posts |
Over here they are "estate" cars...well, in the UK. BMW use the term "touring", obviously. Peugeot call them "station wagons"; SW for short...so that's a wagon basically. And audi call them "avant"... Comparitively few people or manufacturers call them shooting brakes; normally that term is used when the manufacturer is trying to appeal to the sort of person who would own a shooting brake (of the horse-drawn variety), back in the day.
|
Appreciate
1
..Rush..973.50 |
10-29-2020, 03:34 PM | #20 | |
Brigadier General
![]() 1538
Rep 3,332
Posts |
Quote:
If it has 4 doors and a big hatch it's a wagon.
__________________
Current: '20 X5, '18 M3 ZCP
Previous: '11 E90 335i, '11 E90 M3, '16 VW GTI, '15 M235i, '13 335i, '08 TL-S, '00 Corvette |
|
Appreciate
6
|
10-29-2020, 06:02 PM | #21 | ||
Lieutenant Colonel
![]() ![]() 2485
Rep 1,602
Posts |
Quote:
Here's another one: The word "Coupe" originally meant 2-door instead of "sedan with not enough rear head room." Quote:
I love an SUV, but the lower center of gravity and load floor on a wagon is handy, so it just makes more sense. I do after all, go around corners more often than I go offroad. |
||
Appreciate
2
..Rush..973.50 erickonphoenix1708.50 |
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|