[AngryInch]

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Since I’ve picked up the car, I’ve had M2 set at full plus everything, traction off and RWD. Every time I start the car, I click that M2 twice. I find the car is a lot more fun ripping around the city, I’m not a huge awd guy, unless drag racing or launching it.

It really changes the dynamic of the car, these buttons, it’s like having two cars in one. I love how they set it up, that is so easy to change snd use daily if that is your preference.

Wondering if there is other guys that prefer the more raw mode?

[Alberta]

I think that it's pretty dangerous to drive in 2WD everyday, with all the safety features disconnected.

And also, I'm not sure that it's good for the car as your rear tires are going to wear out much faster than the fronts.
The difference between the front and rear tires can harm the transfer box.

I very rarely drive my car in 2WD, not to say never.

[josec70]

I do it occasionally when I want to remember my F10 M5's ….

While they were a ton of fun, getting loose was not that fun.

[subterFUSE]

I Always drive in AWD mode. I don't want to risk not having the traction assist features.

[zdbmw]

I rarely put mine in 2wd mode, there's just no room in the city to safely wring it out lol

But you probably feel right at home in 2wd and sport+ since you're coming from a stage 3 c63 😂

[AngryInch]

Ya I drove the c63 with esp off constantly. Used to a little tail swing, awd felt a bit boring. This car just does everything so well.

Although the c63 was a lot more predictable with the blower, it was instant power, so you could play with the throttle more. The turbo kicks in a bit randomly and can your you into an unexpected spin.

[FSHNGRY]

Originally Posted by AngryInch

Since I’ve picked up the car, I’ve had M2 set at full plus everything, traction off and RWD. Every time I start the car, I click that M2 twice. I find the car is a lot more fun ripping around the city, I’m not a huge awd guy, unless drag racing or launching it.

It really changes the dynamic of the car, these buttons, it’s like having two cars in one. I love how they set it up, that is so easy to change snd use daily if that is your preference.

Wondering if there is other guys that prefer the more raw mode?

Well, theres a lot to process here..

When I start the car, I drive out of my garage/neighborhood in comfort mode or the "start up mode" until the engine temps begin to warm up to operating levels.

THEN, I'll click "M1" one time, which is: AWD, Sport plus on 2/3 settings, and Sport on the 3rd setting, and then "M-Mode" as I prefer the centered, singular gauge.

"M2" settings are sport plus 2/3 , sport on 3rd setting, "AWD Sport"
which allows for MDM feature.


I would not drive in RWD and traction control completely off. Ever.


Not unless I'm purposely trying to chew threw $1000 in rear tires in an empty parking lot for no reason, only to discover a couple dozen rock chips unnecessarily on my car.

I'm certain that there are a limited number of drivers out there who can can control the HP and TQ this car pumps out, especially in RWD mode, traction OFF. There is a reason why BMW disabled some of the features in this car when you choose to operate in RWD. City driving especially. the margin of error, and any moment possible is significantly higher.

I, for one, can feel that this car is not as planted to the road at high speeds as my M4 was. And I can surely feel the violent momentum the added weight brings to the table. I'm not trying to push the limits and end up on youtube, instagram for being the ass**** who totaled his M5 or worst case scenario, injuring someone or myself. I have a family, who needs me, and the work I put in to afford a toy like this doesn't allow me to beat it up.

Sorry OP, just my .02

[AngryInch]

How you boys going to learn to drive with the nanny features on?

[pbonsalb]

Probably 95% of owners don’t explore the limits. I am a lazy driver most of the time, but play occasionally. I only have a JB4 and meth at present but will add downpipes and trans tube and probably a flash tune eventually. The M5 is my comfy cruiser, winter beater, trash hauler, tool and lumber mover, grocery getter, etc.

I have a 700 rwhp turbo E36 M3 for a toy — 3200 lbs, RWD, and no traction control until I added a Racelogic last year. I have to use R compounds (Toyo RA1) to get traction. It’s fun, but I have had that car supercharged or turbocharged for over 15 years and I wanted an easy to drive automatic with big power and AWD so it hooks without me having to exert much thought and effort.

[AngryInch]

What’s the trans tube??

[SenorFunkyPants]

Not forgetting that the front wheels are only ever driven when the stability system detects slip at the rear wheels.
You can often feel the drive being sent to the front with a slight tightening of the steering wheel especially if its off centre.
I tried RWD only for a short while..no doubt its fun for hooning around but I like the confidence the xdrive gives for spirited driving especially on UK roads.

[FourPtDrift]

Originally Posted by AngryInch

Since I’ve picked up the car, I’ve had M2 set at full plus everything, traction off and RWD.

For the track, right?

Right?

(Thinking Star Wars Meme here...)

Every time I start the car, I click that M2 twice. I find the car is a lot more fun ripping around the city,

Ummm. No. No advisable. Under any circumstances. Unless you got the one bum F90 - NONE of these cars are making BMW's factory claimed numbers. They're all making WAY more power - to the wheels. And the car is just NOT setup with the contact patch to be driven on city streets (with road crown, something you don't find on a track), with all that power going just to the rear wheels. No way, no how. No.

You've been warned. Don't do it. You've been doing it, it's your right to do it. It is extremely ill advised and irresponsible.

Public roads - leave in in MDM, you'll get all the slipping' and sliding' you want, but with the power distribution you need between the front and rear diffs. And, you DO need it.

I’m not a huge awd guy, unless drag racing or launching it.

Yeah, the AWD isn't just for "drag racing" and "launching."

You may have noticed that your car has very un-dragster like 275/35 fronts.

It really changes the dynamic of the car, these buttons, it’s like having two cars in one. I love how they set it up, that is so easy to change snd use daily if that is your preference.

Agreed. Great to have flexibility. But it seems to me that you're just now discovering M Buttons which have been around for YEARS. Nothing new here. Which also suggests you may be a bit inexperienced in safely managing a car producing, in actuality, well north of 700bhp at the crank. (Please, let's not get started on the absurdity of the 617bhp claim for a 4,300 pound car with a torque converter and two diffs that can run 0-60 times south of 3 seconds).

How much track experience do you have with your M5? How many times have you had experience on wet and dry skid pads? Do you know the delta in radial distance from your average city intersections left and right hand turns relative what is recovered to manage throttle oversteer on your car on a track surface? Do you know the delta between road crown variance, on-camber to off-camber when comparing left hand sweepers to right hand sweepers and the maximum negative camber your M5's suspension can correct for under load?

Wondering if there is other guys that prefer the more raw mode?

25 years of track experience. Sponsored by Bridgestone for over 10 years. BMW CCA, PCA, FCA MBCA, JOC experienced. I wouldn't drive an F90 in RWD on public roads in a million years. Irresponsible and beyond arrogant to think you can account for road conditions and considerations on a public road that changes constantly.

Your raw mode may result in raw metal exposed.

[FourPtDrift]

Originally Posted by AngryInch

Ya I drove the c63 with esp off constantly. Used to a little tail swing, awd felt a bit boring. This car just does everything so well.

Although the c63 was a lot more predictable with the blower, it was instant power, so you could play with the throttle more. The turbo kicks in a bit randomly and can your you into an unexpected spin.

You've pretty much confirmed with your post above that you need some driver's ed with your car. If you learn how to manage the transmission, throttle and entry and exit speeds, correctly, learn your management between decreasing, constant and increasing radiuses, you won't have "tube kicks in a bit randomly."

Do you honestly think BMW produced a car at this price point, with this performance level, that has "random turbo activation."

You've described driver error. Don't turn driver error into driver injury. For your sake, and for those around you.

[FourPtDrift]

Originally Posted by AngryInch

How you boys going to learn to drive with the nanny features on?

Who does this on a public road?? Get yourself to an HPDS (High Performance Driving School) and then do it again. And again. And again.

[pbonsalb]

Too many of you guys sound like old ladies. You can drive 700 hp on public roads. You just can’t put all the power down all the time. Been doing it for years. You learn how the car responds as have many others.

But as a lazy driver most of the time, I actually like AWD and the sophisticated traction control you can have today that still allows a little fun. I like AWD because you can put more power down more if the time than in a big power RWD car.

[bimmerbeast7]

i beat up my f10 .. fun, easy, but noises get created. i got a brand new f90 and its being babied

[FourPtDrift]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Too many of you guys sound like old ladies. You can drive 700 hp on public roads. You just can’t put all the power down all the time. Been doing it for years. You learn how the car responds as have many others.

But as a lazy driver most of the time, I actually like AWD and the sophisticated traction control you can have today that still allows a little fun. I like AWD because you can put more power down more if the time than in a big power RWD car.

Really? Do tell us more about these 700bhp cars that have been driving around on public roads for years. Which ones? Driven by who? Where?

And exactly where should "learn how the car responds" courses take place? Which public roads are appropriate for this activity?

I can always spot the ones who end up ass-end first off track. They usually profess their great driving talent cultivated on the street.

[norbtx]

I don't get it, if you want to drive RWD daily, why did you get an AWD car?

[pbonsalb]

I wrote that I have a turbo E36 M3 above. I even drive it with snow tires in winter. Many people mod their cars. I bought a JB4 and meth kit the first month I had my M5. Plenty of people are modders. You can supercharge a Mustang to make 700 hp. It’s not that hard or expensive these days.

You can absolutely use 700 hp on public roads. Have you ever been on a deserted stretch of highway? I certainly would be against doing stuff that puts others at risk, but unless you live in a city, you should be able to find open road. Some are lucky and live near mountains or canyons with great roads.

99% of drivers don’t live on a race track. Probably just a few percent of owners of high performance cars ever track their cars. It’s on public roads that they explore the performance potential of their cars. Typically can’t do it for long due to traffic and there is a risk to the license.

[AngryInch]

Wowzers, pbonsalb, you’re right, they do sound like a bunch of old ladies.

I guess they didn’t read all of our posts… you guys act like this car is so powerful that to turn off esp should be illegal. It’s actually quite tame in stock form. I have a tune on mine so yes, the boost kicks in way harder around 3500rpm, I should have mentioned that. Downpipes, light wheel wheels and race gas tune going in next week

I guess our ‘69 Firebird with 800hp shouldn’t be allowed on the street, it’s too wild lol. In reality my 62 year old mother drives it on the street during the weekend and drag races it. Low 10s car with 9s in it with good DA.

I come from a w204 C63 with 750hp or around 900+ with race gas and smaller pulley. 10 years I had that car with not a single day driven with esp on. Responsibility starts with the driver, not the traction control. If you can’t handle your car without the nanny features, not sure what to say. To be clear I am not suggesting driving like this in an epic rain storm or middle of winter…

Back on topic, the car actually drives nicer in rwd, the steering wheel has a smoother feel to it. Does the awd system send power to the front axle continuously or is it clutched snd only when it sense slip??

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by AngryInch

Wowzers, pbonsalb, you’re right, they do sound like a bunch of old ladies.

I guess they didn’t read all of our posts… you guys act like this car is so powerful that to turn off esp should be illegal. It’s actually quite tame in stock form. I have a tune on mine so yes, the boost kicks in way harder around 3500rpm, I should have mentioned that. Downpipes, light wheel wheels and race gas tune going in next week

I guess our ‘69 Firebird with 800hp shouldn’t be allowed on the street, it’s too wild lol. In reality my 62 year old mother drives it on the street during the weekend and drag races it. Low 10s car with 9s in it with good DA.

I come from a w204 C63 with 750hp or around 900+ with race gas and smaller pulley. 10 years I had that car with not a single day driven with esp on. Responsibility starts with the driver, not the traction control. If you can’t handle your car without the nanny features, not sure what to say. To be clear I am not suggesting driving like this in an epic rain storm or middle of winter…

Back on topic, the car actually drives nicer in rwd, the steering wheel has a smoother feel to it. Does the awd system send power to the front axle continuously or is it clutched snd only when it sense slip??

the w204 c63 was such a beast, even in stock form. loved that car.

[AngryInch]

C63 was much more wild than the m5, like you said even in stock form, with performance package, it was sideways everywhere with esp off.