[Greer]

Seeing this video made me miss and think fondly of Sabine Schmitz who was the master of the Ring. Gone too soon.

[SteveChester]

Very fast car - strange video though! I would have left the glovebox alone!

[mastatikle]

Probably would have had a faster time if they could step away from that wonky single piston rear caliper they are so hell bent on using with these big dollar M cars. I really wanted to purchase this car until I saw that. Even with the CCB’s you get that nonsense.

[Megatr0n]

Wow he is such a good driver! Respect! At time I thought he was going to lose control, but he didn't lol

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by mastatikle

Probably would have had a faster time if they could step away from that wonky single piston rear caliper they are so hell bent on using with these big dollar M cars. I really wanted to purchase this car until I saw that. Even with the CCB's you get that nonsense.

The performance of the brakes aren't an issue.

[xcusem3]

Originally Posted by mastatikle

Probably would have had a faster time if they could step away from that wonky single piston rear caliper they are so hell bent on using with these big dollar M cars. I really wanted to purchase this car until I saw that. Even with the CCB’s you get that nonsense.

Have you ever heard the old saying, if it's not broken don't fix it? Bmw has been doing the single-piston, floating rear calliper design on M cars for a long time..
Plus, adding a 4 or 6 pot rear calliper will undoubtedly add unsprung weight to the rear wheels

[Pyn327]

Impressive. Does anyone know how the competition compares, time wise?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Pyn327

Impressive. Does anyone know how the competition compares, time wise?

[crypto]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

M5 CS - 7:29,57
M5C - 7:35,90

Difference is a bit north of 6 seconds. The M5C is a 2019 I assume (or could be a 2018). Not sure if any of the small changes in the M5C LCI would make it perform better.

[mastatikle]

Originally Posted by xcusem3

Have you ever heard the old saying, if it's not broken don't fix it? Bmw has been doing the single-piston, floating rear calliper design on M cars for a long time..
Plus, adding a 4 or 6 pot rear calliper will undoubtedly add unsprung weight to the rear wheels

It would definitely not increase unsparing weight. Have you weighed the existing rear caliper? I’ve had it in my hands multiple times. It’s HEAVY, it’s not just the single piston, it’s the giant electronic Ebrake motor on the back. I sold the pair to switch to multi piston rear calipers or I’d post a side by side comparison. Anyway. Yes, they’ve been using this terrible design but only on the saloons. The smaller M’s have multi piston brakes. If you think the current design is superior then the latter than I have nothing else to say lol. It comes down to BMW being cheap and not wanting to invest in the redesign of the brake system. And suspension geometry. Look at the two faster cars around the same track. What type of rear calipers do they have. Why wouldn’t AMG or Jaguar switch to single piston old age tech if it was superior?

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by crypto

M5 CS - 7:29,57
M5C - 7:35,90

Difference is a bit north of 6 seconds. The M5C is a 2019 I assume (or could be a 2018). Not sure if any of the small changes in the M5C LCI would make it perform better.

This time difference could also be entirely from the M5CS being on Corsa tires.

I'm sure we will see other tests soon (I hope). This one wasn't that great. Only thing that driver didn't do was check his makeup in the vanity mirror.

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by xcusem3

Have you ever heard the old saying, if it's not broken don't fix it? Bmw has been doing the single-piston, floating rear calliper design on M cars for a long time..
Plus, adding a 4 or 6 pot rear calliper will undoubtedly add unsprung weight to the rear wheels

yeah because adding 10lbs to a 4200lb car is really going to make a difference?

You guys are funny.

BMW is charging 8k for ceramics, and 100k for these cars, i dont care what it weighs, it NEEDS a proper rear caliper.

[Neptune7]

Originally Posted by mastatikle

It would definitely not increase unsparing weight. Have you weighed the existing rear caliper? I’ve had it in my hands multiple times. It’s HEAVY, it’s not just the single piston, it’s the giant electronic Ebrake motor on the back. I sold the pair to switch to multi piston rear calipers or I’d post a side by side comparison. Anyway. Yes, they’ve been using this terrible design but only on the saloons. The smaller M’s have multi piston brakes. If you think the current design is superior then the latter than I have nothing else to say lol. It comes down to BMW being cheap and not wanting to invest in the redesign of the brake system. And suspension geometry. Look at the two faster cars around the same track. What type of rear calipers do they have. Why wouldn’t AMG or Jaguar switch to single piston old age tech if it was superior?

Those two faster times were factory times I believe. I'm really interested in BMW's own factory time!

[irablumberg]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

This time difference could also be entirely from the M5CS being on Corsa tires.

I'm sure we will see other tests soon (I hope). This one wasn't that great. Only thing that driver didn't do was check his makeup in the vanity mirror.

Agreed. Also, it is hard to tell, but it seems like all the suspension mods to the CS are also present on the LCI Comp. Thus, the only major differences between the CS and LCI Comp are (1) slightly higher red-line to produce another 10 HP; (2) standard vs. optional carbon brakes; (3) carbon backed racing seats; and (4) various carbon body panels.

When the dust settles, it would be most interesting to see an LCI Comp with the forged wheels, optional carbon brakes and Corsa or Cup 2 tires on the 'ring versus the CS. I'm thinking the difference will be quite small.

[vafan13]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

I'm sure we will see other tests soon (I hope). This one wasn't that great. Only thing that driver didn't do was check his makeup in the vanity mirror.

I'm pretty sure Christian Gebhardt is a well-respected driver, as are sports auto's supertests.

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by vafan13

I'm pretty sure Christian Gebhardt is a well-respected driver, as are sports auto's supertests.

I'm not saying they aren't well respected, but that lap was full of distractions and I'm surprised they didn't try to get a clean one done instead of posting that one.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

I'm not saying they aren't well respected, but that lap was full of distractions and I'm surprised they didn't try to get a clean one done instead of posting that one.

I guess I look at it like this…..


….if a capable driver can put down that killer lap time while adjusting glove boxes, sipping a cup of coffee and shifting his manhood a little because his nads are being squeezed, imagine what can be achieved with a little more focus. The car's capabilities are so impressive.

One thing is clear: BMW is a master at masking weight while their direct competition isn't.

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I guess I look at it like this…..


….if a capable driver can put down that killer lap time while adjusting glove boxes, sipping a cup of coffee and shifting his manhood a little because his nads are being squeezed, imagine what can be achieved with a little more focus. The car's capabilities are so impressive.

One thing is clear: BMW is a master at masking weight while their direct competition isn't.

But, is it actually a killer lap time? It's about 7 seconds faster than the M5 Comp on street tires. Wasn't this M5CS on the Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires? If so, that would explain the difference in lap time.

[Neptune7]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

But, is it actually a killer lap time? It's about 7 seconds faster than the M5 Comp on street tires. Wasn't this M5CS on the Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires? If so, that would explain the difference in lap time.

My thoughts as well. And why the M5C comparison with identical tires will be telling.

This time is great but still slower than the AMG's factory time. It would be good to get a factory result against another car with identical / class tires.

[vafan13]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

I'm not saying they aren't well respected, but that lap was full of distractions and I'm surprised they didn't try to get a clean one done instead of posting that one.

The only thing I saw with any chance of impacting the time was the first closing of the glove box, but even then it would have been an inconsequential amount if it did. He messes with the seatbelt a lot, but that's all while accelerating on straights/near-straights (and he seems to mess with crap in every video).

Also, in M5C hot lap there's a phone alarm going off for ~40 seconds and later a friggin' bird splats on the windshield. I'd say that's gotta be at least as distracting as closing a glove box twice, lol.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by Greer

Seeing this video made me miss and think fondly of Sabine Schmitz who was the master of the Ring. Gone too soon.

Sabine died?

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by phoenixbmwlife

Sabine died?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/motorsport/56420308