[CallMeKevo]

Hi guys, I've decided my 10+ year old daily needs replaced and after cross shopping the M5/RS7/C63 AMG/LC500 I settled on the M5. I will be buying used, probably want to spend ideally in the 55-65 range but would go up to 75 if a deal was there. I was also wondering what year I should go for to keep depreciation to a minimum, will be keeping 5-8 years ideally driving about 10k miles a year. I was wondering what options are necessary and basically what to look for before pulling the trigger on one.

[Yeoman]

I just got a 2019 M5 Comp with 21K miles for $68K.. great condition and uses dials (which I prefer) for displaying the speed/tach, which was changed in 2020. Given it's 5 years old, depreciation should be limited however I didn't buy this car as an investment.

[M5_1of400]

Am I crazy to think that the F90s could potentially retain its value when the G90 comes out and people realize the whole hybrid platform is a sham?

The F90 is the last V8 ICE ... I would like to think our cars will become highly sought after as time passes and the only options coming out the factories is the hybrid / electric crap.

[Demon Barber]

Originally Posted by M5_1of400

Am I crazy to think that the F90s could potentially retain its value when the G90 comes out and people realize the whole hybrid platform is a sham?

The F90 is the last V8 ICE ... I would like to think our cars will become highly sought after as time passes and the only options coming out the factories is the hybrid / electric crap.

I have thought about this too. It's possible that the lighter F90 with its well established powertrain will be more desirable once the only new option is a heavy, boxy hybrid. Time will tell, but I'm holding on to my 2018

[Greer]

is your friend. Enjoy.

[gioM5-Comp]

Originally Posted by Yeoman

I just got a 2019 M5 Comp with 21K miles for $68K.. great condition and uses dials (which I prefer) for displaying the speed/tach, which was changed in 2020. Given it's 5 years old, depreciation should be limited however I didn't buy this car as an investment.

Originally Posted by M5_1of400

Am I crazy to think that the F90s could potentially retain its value when the G90 comes out and people realize the whole hybrid platform is a sham?

The F90 is the last V8 ICE ... I would like to think our cars will become highly sought after as time passes and the only options coming out the factories is the hybrid / electric crap.

With the way a lot of the new cars are heading, with muted sound, elimination of gear shifters, hybrid iterations ( all my very own personal dislikes I will add ), I just thought to myself… if I don’t take the plunge now, it’ll be too late further down the road. For the reasons I’ve stated above, that’s what led me to buy a 2019 M5 Competition towards the end of February. I too preferred the analogue style digital cluster and another deciding factor for buying a 2019 model was the sound of it. The sound of this car in sports plus mode is absolutely thunderous and that start up sound will never get old. It’s just so satisfying chaps.

With regards the F90 retaining its value, you never know. Stranger things have happened. I though, have bought this car for its pure driving pleasure. It puts a smile on my face every time I drive it

[MarcoF90]

Originally Posted by gioM5-Comp

.....and another deciding factor for buying a 2019 model was the sound of it. The sound of this car in sports plus mode is absolutely thunderous and that start up sound will never get old. It’s just so satisfying chaps.

Wait, are you perhaps saying the newer (2020-2023) F90 M5s sound less vicious than the 2018-2019 M5s? That's interesting as I never heard that brought up in the various reviews I have watched and read.

[gioM5-Comp]

Originally Posted by MarcoF90

Wait, are you perhaps saying the newer (2020-2023) F90 M5s sound less vicious than the 2018-2019 M5s? That's interesting as I never heard that brought up in the various reviews I have watched and read.

Yes my friend. Unfortunately BMW mapped out or severely reduced the overrun in Sports + mode with the full LCI models. This was done in the ECU. It’s that overrun in Sports + mode that gave you the pops and bangs when you came off the throttle or downshifting at certain speeds. This it seems was more of a thing done to EU cars whereas in America, the same LCI models seem to sound better.
There’s a well known YouTuber that reviewed the pre & post LCI models, and you can clearly hear the difference between the two. The newer versions sound castrated in comparison. They will obviously still drive amazingly I’m sure.
It’s not an issue for some folks and as with everything, it’s all personal tastes.
For me, I wanted that choice to have those pops & bangs there from the car ( when choosing the right mode ) as I deemed that as part of the character and charm of that generation car, just like the earlier Mercedes AMG E63’s were. The modern Sports version iterations of BMW, Audi & Mercedes seemed have all lost that side of the car. Big V8 engines or higher that sound like hair dryers when revved up at standstill in neutral…no thank you…!!
Guess I’m an old school kind of chap but I do know what I personally like when it comes to my cars. I’ll take the older generation over the newer ones any day my friend

[Yeoman]

Important to note that Europe has much stricter noise emissions standards than the US, so I wouldn't necessarily compare the two.

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by Yeoman

Important to note that Europe has much stricter noise emissions standards than the US, so I wouldn't necessarily compare the two.

Correct, I could be wrong but this was not on US cars to my knowledge.... Maybe only in Europe? but i'm not familiar since I don't live on that side of the pond.

But only 2018 and 2019 have the round gauges in the cluster, which some prefer and some dont. A lot of the LCI items people really like, but i've seen mixed opinions on the LCI gauge cluster vs the 2018-2019 version.

[MarcoF90]

Originally Posted by jnotrom711

Correct, I could be wrong but this was not on US cars to my knowledge.... Maybe only in Europe? but i'm not familiar since I don't live on that side of the pond.

But only 2018 and 2019 have the round gauges in the cluster, which some prefer and some dont. A lot of the LCI items people really like, but i've seen mixed opinions on the LCI gauge cluster vs the 2018-2019 version.

I like the LCI Gauge cluster looks really nice and neat to me. Not to say the Round Gauges are bad those look good too. But after years of driving cars with round gauge clusters I am ready for a fully digital gauge cluster.

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by MarcoF90

I like the LCI Gauge cluster looks really nice and neat to me. Not to say the Round Gauges are bad those look good too. But after years of driving cars with round gauge clusters I am ready for a fully digital gauge cluster.

Yes, some like some dont. My point was this the gauge cluster was implemented in 2020 to my knowledge which was not the LCI.

So 2018-2019 round guages, 2020 new style, 21,22,23 full LCI with all the updates.

[imyy4u]

So in my opinion a 2020 M5C is the sweet spot. You get the older ECU calibration with pops and bangs, and newer gauges without all that LCI stuff.

This is exactly why I own a 2020 M5C :-)

[S EyeLand]

Drive them all then choose. Once they pass the look test, give it the feel test. My 19 felt stiffer and tighter than the LCIs I drove but the LCIs felt softer and more comfortable to a degree but not something I preferred. I preferred the nav screen, door sills, front grill, taillights and side markers of the LCI. The gauges I didn't notice but I think I like the pre LCI better.

In the end it came down to the fact that the particular car I choose looked and felt brand new. It felt incredibly stout and solid on the road, more than any car I've ever driven. It truly blew me away and made my X5M feel like a jalopy.

[gioM5-Comp]

Originally Posted by imyy4u

So in my opinion a 2020 M5C is the sweet spot. You get the older ECU calibration with pops and bangs, and newer gauges without all that LCI stuff.

This is exactly why I own a 2020 M5C :-)

Yes, I eventually found this out during my extensive research when searching for my eventual car. I came across a 2020 model where the only part of the car that was changed was the instrument cluster to the newer style digital display. Everything else, front and rear lights, and the button layout around the gear shifter were still the pre LCI style. I was told that that was probably the start of the transition to the LCI model, so a sort of crossover version let’s say. I wasn’t sure at the time wether the pops and bangs would have already been mapped out in the ECU by this stage so I played safe a plumped for an earlier model instead. I did however go and see it first to confirm those lovely pops & bangs were still present and when I heard them, it was like music to my ears…!!
I suppose I could of also checked out the 2020 model too as the new instrument cluster would not have been a deal breaker for me. The sound of the car was my main criteria and my preference for the analogue style digital cluster still did play a part in my choice. 😀👍

[DavidXJ]

Originally Posted by imyy4u

So in my opinion a 2020 M5C is the sweet spot. You get the older ECU calibration with pops and bangs, and newer gauges without all that LCI stuff.

This is exactly why I own a 2020 M5C :-)

As a 2020 M5C owner myself, I can hardly disagree. But I would add that in the UK/Europe they must have responded in MY2020 (i.e. from. July '19 onwards) by mapping out the crackles from the overrun. The exhaust itself seems as loud and rorty under acceleration load as all other pre-LCIs from '18 onwards, but BMW took the nannyish route by dialling back the lift-off burbles for the 2020 models. That's a disappointing overkill, in a way, since AMG and Audi still appeared to get away with more overrun animation for their pre-'21 E63s and RS6s. Still, all Comps in Europe have OPFs anyway which is a bit of an acoustic muffler. But I can live with it, not least as my other daily/second car is a MY2017 (thus pre-OPF) MINI John Cooper Works, which pops and crackles far more exuberantly than frankly any stock-Euro-F90 would, and which in some ways is more entertaining at useable speeds..!