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      02-02-2019, 01:43 PM   #45
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Great, but if you're buying an M5 over a Vantage for straight line speed I don't know what to say to you. Lots of bashing of the Aston here. Aren't they mostly AMG parts, and made in the UK?
Essentially it is a 200k c63s, that is worth what you would pay for a c63s the second you drive it off the lot.
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I can see why some people would have a 2 door coupe over the M5, no issues there, but surely anyone would have the AMG GT over the Aston? Same engine, better gearbox and in most places I suspect a much better dealer network with much better support.
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For people who prioritise on image and swagger, if given just 2 choices, aston and the bmw, choosing the aston would be a natural choice.

For someone whom prioritises performance over form, the F90 M5, would be the natural choice.

For me however, if finances permit and I only have these 2 choices, I would get both and drive them for different occasions. if I could only afford one, the F90 M5 it is. it is one thing to look fast, if challenged however and you are being smoked frequently in such challenges, it does feel fustrating especially if U spent quite a fair bit of dough on the car.

F90 would be a natural choice for me.
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My god, the F90 really is an absolute weapon. Where does the M division even go from here? Is a sub 2 second 0-60 saloon a reality?
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For people who prioritise on image and swagger, if given just 2 choices, aston and the bmw, choosing the aston would be a natural choice.

For someone whom prioritises performance over form, the F90 M5, would be the natural choice.

For me however, if finances permit and I only have these 2 choices, I would get both and drive them for different occasions. if I could only afford one, the F90 M5 it is. it is one thing to look fast, if challenged however and you are being smoked frequently in such challenges, it does feel fustrating especially if U spent quite a fair bit of dough on the car.

F90 would be a natural choice for me.
The Aston can smoke more than 90% of everything out there.
Besides you don't buy a car to "smoke others", you buy it because you like it, and you like its sensations. I really love the F90 M5, but it is a bit too inert at times (especially if you are not hooling), so it is not as easy to dismiss it as you make it seem.
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So the Vantage lease is to drive the car a little less than 7 miles per day for the year. I understand if people have money to burn and own numerous vehicles, but spending 18k a year not to drive the vehicle is well..........
$200 more a month for $5k miles. IMO, that makes it still interesting as a weekend car...
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For people who prioritise on image and swagger, if given just 2 choices, aston and the bmw, choosing the aston would be a natural choice.

For someone whom prioritises performance over form, the F90 M5, would be the natural choice.

For me however, if finances permit and I only have these 2 choices, I would get both and drive them for different occasions. if I could only afford one, the F90 M5 it is. it is one thing to look fast, if challenged however and you are being smoked frequently in such challenges, it does feel fustrating especially if U spent quite a fair bit of dough on the car.

F90 would be a natural choice for me.
The Aston can smoke more than 90% of everything out there.
Besides you don't buy a car to "smoke others", you buy it because you like it, and you like its sensations. I really love the F90 M5, but it is a bit too inert at times (especially if you are not hooling), so it is not as easy to dismiss it as you make it seem.
Agreed on what you mentioned and I was just writing the extreme sides of how individuals make their choices.
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My god, the F90 really is an absolute weapon. Where does the M division even go from here? Is a sub 2 second 0-60 saloon a reality?
No...
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2500 miles / year can be gone through in a single road trip. Vic55 Why go with this over the AMG GT/GTS/GTC/GTR? Mercedes gives you four options at four price points with performance matching or exceeding the Aston. Would it be just for looks?
The Aston is slower than any AMG GT model and softer in its setup. More of a comfy cruiser but the AMG/MB tech will make it a better and more reliable car. A very attractive car inside out but not one anyone would get for street racing...

The AMG's will cost quite a bit more to lease than the Vantage since Mercedes uses standard non-discounted rates and more realistic residuals (the Vantage shows at 64% after 3 years; an unachievable number).
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For people who prioritise on image and swagger, if given just 2 choices, aston and the bmw, choosing the aston would be a natural choice.

For someone whom prioritises performance over form, the F90 M5, would be the natural choice.

For me however, if finances permit and I only have these 2 choices, I would get both and drive them for different occasions. if I could only afford one, the F90 M5 it is. it is one thing to look fast, if challenged however and you are being smoked frequently in such challenges, it does feel fustrating especially if U spent quite a fair bit of dough on the car.

F90 would be a natural choice for me.
People pick Aston because of it's looks and 500hp too bit isn't bad. It's not faster than the F90 but it doesn't need to be.

Prioritizing performance over form wouldn't lead to an F90 M5 at all if that your criteria.. an M5 is a fast grocery getter that is used all over the US as a DAILY DRIVER. It's an all around family sedan with 600hp. No need to explain it further. It's comfy and can keep up with fast cars in only a straight line.

M5 is only good in 1/4 mile runs.

It won't out-handle cars at half it's price around a racetrack. Even a 2018 Mustang GT PP did a faster lap than the F90 M5 by almost 2 seconds around VIR and the F90 barely outpaced a 718 Cayman S (which has 215+hp less, more like 250hp if you include the understated hp figures from the M5).

The only purpose an M5 has to offer is the fact that it's a comfy and super fast daily that you can go shopping with and have some minor fun on the weekends. If I'm spending 120k for performance over form.. why not both? I'd be looking at 991.1 GT3/2017 R8 V10 (non pluses) and keeping my money rather than blowing 50k of it away in 2 years time with buying a new M5. Just saying.
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People pick Aston because of it's looks a

M5 is only good in 1/4 mile runs.

It won't out-handle cars at half it's price around a racetrack. Even a 2018 Mustang GT PP did a faster lap than the F90 M5 by almost 2 seconds around VIR and the F90 barely outpaced a 718 Cayman S (which has 215+hp less, more like 250hp if you include the understated hp figures from the M5).
After reading your bashing of the M5 I had to go back and look at some of your posts. Do you own a BMW?

First of all, you buy an M5 because it is a fast sedan that you can drive every day, that is the purpose of the car. You lose all credibility when you criticize a sedan that does the Nurburgring as fast as a 911s

The non competiton M5 did the Nurburgring @ 7:38.9 the Mustang GT was 8:07.000. the Cayman S was 7:46.7. Looks like the F90 is faster around a track than the cars you mentioned. Maybe you should check your facts. You claim to lease an Acura NSX which is 65k more than an M5 and was only 2 seconds faster around the Nurburgring than a non Comp M5, when they run the M5 Comp it will be faster than the NSX. You also claim to own an F type r which is 15 seconds slower than the "Grocery Getter" around Nurburgring, good choice of sports car.
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People pick Aston because of it's looks and 500hp too bit isn't bad. It's not faster than the F90 but it doesn't need to be.

Prioritizing performance over form wouldn't lead to an F90 M5 at all if that your criteria.. an M5 is a fast grocery getter that is used all over the US as a DAILY DRIVER. It's an all around family sedan with 600hp. No need to explain it further. It's comfy and can keep up with fast cars in only a straight line.

M5 is only good in 1/4 mile runs.

It won't out-handle cars at half it's price around a racetrack. Even a 2018 Mustang GT PP did a faster lap than the F90 M5 by almost 2 seconds around VIR and the F90 barely outpaced a 718 Cayman S (which has 215+hp less, more like 250hp if you include the understated hp figures from the M5).

The only purpose an M5 has to offer is the fact that it's a comfy and super fast daily that you can go shopping with and have some minor fun on the weekends. If I'm spending 120k for performance over form.. why not both? I'd be looking at 991.1 GT3/2017 R8 V10 (non pluses) and keeping my money rather than blowing 50k of it away in 2 years time with buying a new M5. Just saying.
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This is a weird conversation.

Who in the world is cross shopping an Aston with an M5.

The Aston is a beautiful, attention getting car. That's why people buy them. It's fast enough, but agree it should be faster.

The M5 is a completely different animal. A good looking, under the radar Q-ship with massive reserves of power. A family sedan that destroys stop lights and the highway but can also be thrown around corners.

You don't buy an M5 to show off and you don't really buy one for the track, though it can hold it's own.

Comparing the M5 to a 991.1 GT3 makes even less sense.
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My god, the F90 really is an absolute weapon. Where does the M division even go from here? Is a sub 2 second 0-60 saloon a reality?
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Why not?

I'm pretty sure even only a few years ago the idea of a large luxury saloon with a 3 second 0-60 time would've seemed completely unfeasible too.
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I dont know why, are you thinking that I got one or was considering one? Or was your question rhetorical?

I just merely broke down the risks in a lease with the Vantage in my earlier post.
More hypothetical... Your signature states you have a GTS (plus you had a thread on it) which means you are familiar with the Mercedes lineup, you also seem to be on top of all the various automotive releases and you are knowledgeable on leasing. All of which I have no experience with, so I was curious as to what your opinion was based on my previous post.
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Rhetorical... Your signature states you have a GTS (plus you had a thread on it) which means you are familiar with the Mercedes lineup, you also seem to be on top of all the various automotive releases and you are knowledgeable on leasing. All of which I have no experience with, so I was curious as to what your opinion was.
Ah I see, thanks for that. If someone really wants an AM and doesnt want to get burned or pay excessive dollars, the cost of what "status" the AM might yield is relatively light in the market for the Vantage.

I really didnt have a formulated opinion of the Aston in regards to driveability thus I could only speak to 2nd hand knowledge that my friend gave me. I would like to drive the car and then give honest feedback. The M178 engine sounds great and I have really enjoyed the GTS (its a Edition 1 car). But I dont know about the chassis and suspension connection that the Aston may or may not have with the engine. AMG did an excellent job with the GTS and even moreso with the GTR.
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So the Vantage lease is to drive the car a little less than 7 miles per day for the year. I understand if people have money to burn and own numerous vehicles, but spending 18k a year not to drive the vehicle is well..........
$200 more a month for $5k miles. IMO, that makes it still interesting as a weekend car...
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For people who prioritise on image and swagger, if given just 2 choices, aston and the bmw, choosing the aston would be a natural choice.

For someone whom prioritises performance over form, the F90 M5, would be the natural choice.

For me however, if finances permit and I only have these 2 choices, I would get both and drive them for different occasions. if I could only afford one, the F90 M5 it is. it is one thing to look fast, if challenged however and you are being smoked frequently in such challenges, it does feel fustrating especially if U spent quite a fair bit of dough on the car.

F90 would be a natural choice for me.
Interesting to read the comments here. I honestly have no idea who the M5 is for other than people with too much money who also want some practicality and can't own two cars. Don't get me wrong the m5 is impressive but what exactly is it for? It doesn't have the driving feel or the price accessibility to be a good track car. It doesn't have the civility or fuel economy for straight commuting. It doesn't grab attention (at least, the kind of attention you want). And it's pretty expensive. The Aston on the other hand is a completely different animal. It looks absolutely insane. It's driving position is low, it's loud, its sporty. It's a pure weekend car--it knows what it is.

I owned an E39 M5 and that car made sense to me. It was light enough, had a manual transmission, an insane motor, and was the right size. The F90 is massive, has way too much power, is completely sterile to drive, and comes in automatic and AWD. I don't get it--at least I don't get it when you are comparing to a Vantage. There's no contest for me. Like for those of you (on the M5 board no less) saying you would "take the M5 hands down" I just can't wrap my head around that.
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Would take the more understated, quality, and faster M5 any day
What is this based on? Your assessment of Astons from 15 years ago?
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I can help here as I believe some of your comments are very much incorrect.

My responses are in-line to yours in RED.

I honestly have no idea who the M5 is for other than people with too much money who also want some practicality and can't own two cars.
You are going to have to explain that to me as the M5 is literally one of the best all round - GT - cars you can buy today. Key word today. Please below for more information on that point.

Don't get me wrong the m5 is impressive but what exactly is it for?

It doesn't have the driving feel or the price accessibility to be a good track car. Let's start here - no car in its class is a good car. The days of this class of car ever possibly being a good track car is over - for all manufacturers. So this point is moot. It can do tracking - but it is not a track car (nor really was the E39 - but it was much closer than anything today - more on that below.

It doesn't have the civility or fuel economy for straight commuting.
Whoah. The standard M5 is extremely civil. As is the CP in my opinion. Is it super soft luxury? No. But it is GT car - so it isn't supposed to be. This point is very much off of reality.

It doesn't grab attention (at least, the kind of attention you want).
I agree here. The M5 looks almost identical to the M550ix. Nor has really any BMW - more on that below. That said - I don't want attention. So this works for me.
And it's pretty expensive. The Aston on the other hand is a completely different animal. It looks absolutely insane. It's driving position is low, it's loud, its sporty. It's a pure weekend car--it knows what it is.
The Aston is the better looking and sounding car. No question. It is a pure weekend car - and much more expensive than the F90. The M5 is an all rounder - GT luxury car - more useful than the Aston and much more capable in the sporty department. And cheaper.
I owned an E39 M5 and that car made sense to me. It was light enough, had a manual transmission, an insane motor, and was the right size.
I will stop you right there. You cannot compare the E39 to anything today - in that class. Nothing. It also had engine, chassis, crappy traction control and massively bad fuel economy issues (I only bring that point up because you did). Also - no one unless a BMW person would know what it is...as most BMW's never have been flashy.

The F90 is massive, has way too much power, is completely sterile to drive, and comes in automatic and AWD.
I am going to hope you have at least driven it to make that comment. Hoping that is so - I cannot understand where you get that from. I have driven both cars - and as much as the E39 is a fixture in car history - the F90 is an amazing car to drive. The steering - not so much - but that is for any electric steering out - today (this isn't 1998) - the overall experience is quite pleasing and effective - meaning there is not way too much power (or it would not be effective). The car can be put into RWD - fully RWD - at the touch of a button (this is where I suspect you have not driven the F90). And no car in this class is a manual anymore - from any manufacturer. Either way "liking" is subjective - so fairly moot.

I don't get it--at least I don't get it when you are comparing to a Vantage. There's no contest for me.

Like for those of you (on the M5 board no less) saying you would "take the M5 hands down" I just can't wrap my head around that.

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