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      11-30-2022, 12:58 AM   #1
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The Performance variants are out in MY 2024. Who is getting one?

I doubt they will challenge the M5 or AMG GT in performance, but they have their own value proposition, especially the RS6.
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Audi's here seems to be seen as "lesser"cars than Bmw or Mercedes. Like all of them they have their downsides and negatives but I personally love the way they look and how interior quality is. Quattro all wheel drive is the best of them all. Every time race is on damp or wet surface Bmw and Mercedes loose their races from a dig I don't own one and I am not much of an suv fan but that. RSQ8 is looking good 👍
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I'd definitely get one if they weren't next to impossible to get a hold of. Don't make enough to waste money to buy my way into a dealers good graces.
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I know the utility of the rs6 and the luxury of rs6/rs7 are going to be mentioned, but they desperately needed a power plant upgrade as they are slower than the g80s. Maybe that speaks to the g80 more than anything, but this would be like the m5/8 being slower than the rs5 while costing 30-40k more.

Again I know most people get the rs6 for looks and utility, but that’s where things stand now performance wise. I think they needed this performance trim so Audis top trim isn’t outright slower than the m3/4 and upcoming c63 while costing 30-40% more.
But again this is probably another 7k package on top of their already high prices, as the rs6/7 starting price is at m5 competition level already. At least they still have the r8 which I would still take over anything bmw if I didn’t need 4 doors. Oh wait the v10 is being discontinued.. lol
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Audi is the 4th best car company in Germany. Good cars but not on par with Porsche, Merc or BMW.
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I spent long weekend with a Q8 and I couldn't get past the terrible infotainment system. It's something you interact with constantly, so that's a non-starter for me. MBUX is just as bad.
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The Performance variants are out in MY 2024. Who is getting one?

I doubt they will challenge the M5 or AMG GT in performance, but they have their own value proposition, especially the RS6.
My friend recently locked in his RS6 spec to over 140k (standard color)... it makes me wonder how much the Performance are going to cost
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I spent long weekend with a Q8 and I couldn't get past the terrible infotainment system. It's something you interact with constantly, so that's a non-starter for me. MBUX is just as bad.
You mamy not like the MBUX for your own reasons but instrument cluster customization in Bmw was laughable in ID7 in comparison to MB. I don't know about newest idrive but I am sure someone else here will have far better knowledge on that subject.
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Even with the power bump, these cars weigh 5,000+ pounds. Just too much mass to be really fast and fun.
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Even with the power bump, these cars weigh 5,000+ pounds. Just too much mass to be really fast and fun.
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Worth a look.

Just discovered the RS5 Competition Plus.

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I had an RS5 before I bought the M5. It was an amazing vehicle. I will say the digital dash was WAY better and had WAY more functionality than the BMW, but most everything else is better in the M5.
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I have a writeup comparison a ways back between my '21 RS7 and '21 M5C that was loaded w/ all extra MPP goodies too, about identical $134K sticker's between the two, very comparable cars... except the performance. The RS7 sounds better stock to me, they really wail w/ the optional sport exhaust, but it's just not even close otherwise. The Performance model isn't enough to close the gap on even a stock LCI M5C, it'll be a good car, but won't change your mind if you've pushed them both hard.

I ran an 11.49 @ 119MPH bone stock in the RS7 the only time I ran it, and a 10.83 @ 128MPH (also stock, just before I got rid of it) on the same road, in the same cold, sea level DA, the only time I ever ran the M5C. The M5C is a beast to launch correctly and I wasn't able to try when it still had the intakes and JB4 on it, but w/ a few practice runs the M5C w/ nothing but a JB4 on map 2 on pump gas, and you'd be in the 10.4's @ 130+...that's light-years from even a tuned RS7 on pump because of the weight difference, which is already making more power than the Performance model will.

The LCI M5C is aging better inside and out to me than Audi's more initially aggressive angular designs that are also always the first to look dated. If you're in the market for a bananas hatch, are an Audi person through and through, then the RS6 Performance will likely be enough to scratch the itch, but it's still going to be noticeably weight limited to the M5C's ~4400lbs once you've put them both through their paces.
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I have a writeup comparison a ways back between my '21 RS7 and '21 M5C that was loaded w/ all extra MPP goodies too, about identical $134K sticker's between the two, very comparable cars... except the performance. The RS7 sounds better stock to me, they really wail w/ the optional sport exhaust, but it's just not even close otherwise. The Performance model isn't enough to close the gap on even a stock LCI M5C, it'll be a good car, but won't change your mind if you've pushed them both hard.

I ran an 11.49 @ 119MPH bone stock in the RS7 the only time I ran it, and a 10.83 @ 128MPH (also stock, just before I got rid of it) on the same road, in the same cold, sea level DA, the only time I ever ran the M5C. The M5C is a beast to launch correctly and I wasn't able to try when it still had the intakes and JB4 on it, but w/ a few practice runs the M5C w/ nothing but a JB4 on map 2 on pump gas, and you'd be in the 10.4's @ 130+...that's light-years from even a tuned RS7 on pump because of the weight difference, which is already making more power than the Performance model will.

The LCI M5C is aging better inside and out to me than Audi's more initially aggressive angular designs that are also always the first to look dated. If you're in the market for a bananas hatch, are an Audi person through and through, then the RS6 Performance will likely be enough to scratch the itch, but it's still going to be noticeably weight limited to the M5C's ~4400lbs once you've put them both through their paces.
I always get a good chuckle when people talk drag strip numbers as any reason to or not to buy a touring performance car with over 600hp. Like one is going to actually be more fun than the other on a standard hwy in traffic as a daily. Almost as much as I enjoy people complaining about the weight. You bought a damn 5 series! What did you expect. They make a smaller one you know? But you chose the heavy one with the V8. Which still blows the doors off anything on the road. Haha

Also not sure how the Audi looks dated. They have rocked the same aggressive look for years now just like bmw has played the conservative laid back sleeper card for the 5. And that digital dash looks anything but dated. A company that figured out how to go digital screen without looking like you designed an entire car and forgot to include the speedometer like the all new BMWs.
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I have a writeup comparison a ways back between my '21 RS7 and '21 M5C that was loaded w/ all extra MPP goodies too, about identical $134K sticker's between the two, very comparable cars... except the performance. The RS7 sounds better stock to me, they really wail w/ the optional sport exhaust, but it's just not even close otherwise. The Performance model isn't enough to close the gap on even a stock LCI M5C, it'll be a good car, but won't change your mind if you've pushed them both hard.

I ran an 11.49 @ 119MPH bone stock in the RS7 the only time I ran it, and a 10.83 @ 128MPH (also stock, just before I got rid of it) on the same road, in the same cold, sea level DA, the only time I ever ran the M5C. The M5C is a beast to launch correctly and I wasn't able to try when it still had the intakes and JB4 on it, but w/ a few practice runs the M5C w/ nothing but a JB4 on map 2 on pump gas, and you'd be in the 10.4's @ 130+...that's light-years from even a tuned RS7 on pump because of the weight difference, which is already making more power than the Performance model will.

The LCI M5C is aging better inside and out to me than Audi's more initially aggressive angular designs that are also always the first to look dated. If you're in the market for a bananas hatch, are an Audi person through and through, then the RS6 Performance will likely be enough to scratch the itch, but it's still going to be noticeably weight limited to the M5C's ~4400lbs once you've put them both through their paces.
I always get a good chuckle when people talk drag strip numbers as any reason to or not to buy a touring performance car with over 600hp. Like one is going to actually be more fun than the other on a standard hwy in traffic as a daily. Almost as much as I enjoy people complaining about the weight. You bought a damn 5 series! What did you expect. They make a smaller one you know? But you chose the heavy one with the V8. Which still blows the doors off anything on the road. Haha

Also not sure how the Audi looks dated. They have rocked the same aggressive look for years now just like bmw has played the conservative laid back sleeper card for the 5. And that digital dash looks anything but dated. A company that figured out how to go digital screen without looking like you designed an entire car and forgot to include the speedometer like the all new BMWs.
I have had both and preferred driving the RS7. It had full tune and Eventuri intake and was slower than my f90 comp with race chip. Steering feel was better and it had much better versatility with the air suspension.I could air it out on the ground or raise it to go in any high driveway. Plus it had such a road presence my f90 didn't have. Both were same color. But hey now I'm in a 23 jahre G80 and couldn't be happier. My daily commute is much more fun and it doesn't give up much interior space to either. Plus ID8 feels much more technologically advanced than either.
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I like wagons also and thought about the E63 AMG Bi Turbo and Panamerica ST instead of the F90 M5, but the extra weight does diminish performance and if you are getting close to SUV weight line you are with an Audi RS6 or Porsche ST wagon, maybe the SUV is the way to go. Who knows what will be out in a few years when I might consider replacing the F90 but I may look at wagons and SUV again.
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I had an RS5 before I bought the M5. It was an amazing vehicle. I will say the digital dash was WAY better and had WAY more functionality than the BMW, but most everything else is better in the M5.
Did you have the "Audi digital cockpit?" It's freaking sweet, but that's where the excitement with Audi ends for me.
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I always get a good chuckle when people talk drag strip numbers as any reason to or not to buy a touring performance car with over 600hp. Like one is going to actually be more fun than the other on a standard hwy in traffic as a daily. Almost as much as I enjoy people complaining about the weight. You bought a damn 5 series! What did you expect. They make a smaller one you know? But you chose the heavy one with the V8. Which still blows the doors off anything on the road. Haha

Also not sure how the Audi looks dated. They have rocked the same aggressive look for years now just like bmw has played the conservative laid back sleeper card for the 5. And that digital dash looks anything but dated. A company that figured out how to go digital screen without looking like you designed an entire car and forgot to include the speedometer like the all new BMWs.
I've owned 7 new Audi's since 2013 (an A, 4 S, and two RS) and they're always the first to look dated for sake of the fact that they don't do the conservative card that the M5 pulls off, that was the whole point. Drive a few new pre-facelift Audi's and you'll see the same conversation across the Audi forums. The dash itself is one part that is w/o a doubt better in the RS7...when it works, mine was a cluster (albeit nonfunctional?) after the first heavy rain here due to a water intrusion issue impacting the main computer system that they decided to store under the drivers seat...in the lowest part of the car. Audi literally just released a recall for the exact issue and blamed it on "possible spilled liquids in the rear seat", tf ever man. I took it in 3 times back in '21 when others were reporting it on the forums just to get blank stares and a Q5 loaner every time they kept it for 2 weeks while I kept making my RS payment.

Say what you want about a straight line comparison but there's a whole army of folks who know how to run their cars with a dragy on their back road of choice and, same road, same conditions, it's just an easy measuring stick with those folks who care and understand how hard it is to gain that extra 10th or half a MPH in their ET. 600lbs is also not a negligible weight difference, you feel it in the RS vs the M just day to day. There's literal hundreds of F90 M5 runs on the dragy leaderboards and that's just the stuff people post...let alone the runs they do before actually submitting. Crazy that folks would enjoy running and comparing their 600HP super sedans huh?! Hah, by that reasoning we shouldn't buy one of any brand at all, with all that weight ridiculousness. Doesn't matter what ya drive, if you're into it for fun, there's people to compare with on dragy.

https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...33&postcount=2

This was my comparison from back then, but the whole point was that you DIDN'T need to push the cars to notice the immediate difference between the RS7 and the M5C. The M5 feels a different world of nimble when you've gotten used to just chucking them around your local empty neighborhood streets and highways in their most aggressive settings, it's just not really comparable. The Performance will be solid, but, again, once you've owned and daily driven both, it's still going to fall short of the M5C. For me the LCI M5C set the bar for what the RS7 should have been for the price, and if that were the case and mine wasn't a buggy mess, I'd probably still own it.
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Friend of mine had a 2019 rs7, tuned with downpipes, it was stupid fast. It had my respect after a few rides in it. Also a great looking car (IMO).
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I had a 2023 RS6 Avant on order until early November. Placed the order back in July. When they contacted me to confirm the details before it locked in as it was scheduled to be produced late December, I canceled. Mostly because I realized it wasn’t worth the price ($140K+) and I decided to order a Ram TRX instead.

Now they the performance variants have been released, I’m glad I didn’t order the RS6. Cool cars, just not worth the price premium to me.
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