[M5stallion]

Originally Posted by vtknight

it's unfortunate you are not rational.

Do you own a GTR? For all of that fervor and fanboiism - I certainly hope so.

It is clear you have zero real world experience regardless - I recognized that from your first post.

But hey - enjoy the 8 hundredths of a second "victory" of one race against a family car.

Regardless how many times you attack me personally or downplay the GTR, it won’t change the fact that the GTR won. Peace on you

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by M5stallion

Regardless how many times you attack me personally or downplay the GTR, it won’t change the fact that the GTR won. Peace on you

Or the fact the F90 M5 is quicker and faster than a stock R35 GTR. As per my original point.

Peace.

[M5stallion]

Originally Posted by vtknight

Or the fact the F90 M5 is quicker and faster than a stock R35 GTR. As per my original point.

Peace.

That remains to be seen with proper drag races....

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by M5stallion

That remains to be seen with proper drag races....

MPH tells me all I need to know. That said - the mere fact that we are discussing this - a purpose built car versus a 16+ foot luxury four door GT car - two cars that don't even compete - and that the 16+ foot luxury GT car is both quicker and faster is astonishing.

And that the BMW Competition Package hasn't even hit the shores yet...

You don't like the F90 - want to troll here - that is cool. Doesn't change these facts.

EDIT: Congrats on your first two rep points.

[M5stallion]

Originally Posted by vtknight

MPH tells me all I need to know. That said - the mere fact that we are discussing this - a purpose built car versus a 16+ foot luxury four door GT car - two cars that don't even compete - and that the 16+ foot luxury GT car is both quicker and faster is astonishing.

And that the BMW Competition Package hasn't even hit the shores yet...

You don't like the F90 - want to troll here - that is cool. Doesn't change these facts.

EDIT: Congrats on your first two rep points.

Let’s forget the GTR for now, the E63 is several hundred pounds heavier, has less displacement, yet still manages to beat the M5. The cars are otherwise pretty equal as far as Awd and auto trannies go. They did It from a roll and dig. I have an F10 M5, just waiting to pull the trigger on the f90 but am hesitating.

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by M5stallion

Let’s forget the GTR for now, the E63 is several hundred pounds heavier, has less displacement, yet still manages to beat the M5. The cars are otherwise pretty equal as far as Awd and auto trannies go. They did It from a roll and dig. I have an F10 M5, just waiting to pull the trigger on the f90 but am hesitating.

I find your last sentence strange. The E63S is also the more powerful car - almost 75 lb ft. Displacement and spool are a consideration anyone should look carefully at. As well as overall power potential.

These cars are close any way you slice it.

[M5stallion]

Originally Posted by vtknight

I find your last sentence strange. The E63S is also the more powerful car - almost 75 lb ft. Displacement and spool are a consideration anyone should look carefully at. As well as overall power potential.

These cars are close any way you slice it.

But the e63 seems to be quicker, and with these cars being so close in many areas, performance is a deciding factor.

[04cobra]

I mean the F80 M3 holds its own vs a GTR from a roll as well.....I was dead even with my buddies stock GTR stock for stock from a roll.

And here is a slightly modded F80 vs a GTR

M5 should have no issues vs a GTR

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

I mean the F80 M3 holds its own vs a GTR from a roll as well.....I was dead even with my buddies stock GTR stock for stock from a roll.

And here is a slightly modded F80 vs a GTR

M5 should have no issues vs a GTR

So - I am a fair individual - and stock F80 M3 and M4's are trapping about 118-120 MPH depending on the review - on 93. There have been F80's apparently without tune - but on 100+ octane hitting mid 11's - but still at 119ish MPH.

SO depending on the R35 year - they are a worthy run versus a bone stock GTR in a roll - but on average - the new (2013+) GTR should slowly to not so slowly (2015+) walk past an F80.

[04cobra]

Originally Posted by vtknight

So - I am a fair individual - and stock F80 M3 and M4's are trapping about 118-120 MPH depending on the review - on 93. There have been F80's apparently without tune - but on 100+ octane hitting mid 11's - but still at 119ish MPH.

SO depending on the R35 year - they are a worthy run versus a bone stock GTR in a roll - but on average - the new (2013+) GTR should slowly to not so slowly (2015+) walk past an F80.

Buddies is a 2017.

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

Buddies is a 2017.

Especially a 2017 - with 565 HP - is about 16 lbs of boost stock. it traps mid 120's.

It's just math - a stock F80 is not beating the new GTR in a roll - maybe driver error in regards to RPM/gear choice/bad fuel - but not due to the car.

They are terrible in a roll - but not terrible enough to lose to a car 7 MPH on average slower. If both are bone stock.

[04cobra]

Originally Posted by vtknight

Especially a 2017 - with 565 HP - is about 16 lbs of boost stock. it traps mid 120's.

It's just math - a stock F80 is not beating the new GTR in a roll - maybe driver error in regards to RPM/gear choice/bad fuel - but not due to the car.

They are terrible in a roll - but not terrible enough to lose to a car 7 MPH on average slower. If both are bone stock.

Shrug, we raced multiple times from different speeds and he wasn't able to pull more than a front bumper on me.

I am fully aware, and what I go by, that trap speed is the best representation of a cars performance, but we don't live in a vacuum so a lot of variables can cause one car to pull ahead even when it technically shouldn't. Similar to why the results of AMG vs M5 flip flop, the cars are VERY close in performance and at the end of the day real world variables is what will cause one to pull ahead or not. The new M5 traps 129ish MPH vs the GTR 125ish, so on paper yes it should win.

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

Shrug, we raced multiple times from different speeds and he wasn't able to pull more than a front bumper on me.

I am fully aware, and what I go by, that trap speed is the best representation of a cars performance, but we don't live in a vacuum so a lot of variables can cause one car to pull ahead even when it technically shouldn't. Similar to why the results of AMG vs M5 flip flop, the cars are VERY close in performance and at the end of the day real world variables is what will cause one to pull ahead or not. The new M5 traps 129ish MPH vs the GTR 125ish, so on paper yes it should win.

And that is my point. The M5 does win against the GTR.

And the M3/4 performance level is not that close to the GTR - so it should not be close. Steady pull for a 17. That said - I don't personally care as this is a stock vs stock discussion.

[M5stallion]

An actual drag race between a GTR and New M5 will point out the winner, not some tepid, uncoordinated video. Minimum 93 octane lol

[Peter Lichtenstein]

Originally Posted by M5stallion

An actual drag race between a GTR and New M5 will point out the winner, not some tepid, uncoordinated video. Minimum 93 octane lol

Here you go, an actual Drag Race:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oaJwkhBv98

[M5stallion]

Let’s wait for some quality videos to come out ....

[M5stallion]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

I mean the F80 M3 holds its own vs a GTR from a roll as well.....I was dead even with my buddies stock GTR stock for stock from a roll.

And here is a slightly modded F80 vs a GTR

M5 should have no issues vs a GTR

And here is a REAL VIDEO pointing out how far handicapped an m4 is vs. a GTR....2s slower to 100mph is not in the same league

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by M5stallion

LetÂ’s forget the GTR for now, the E63 is several hundred pounds heavier, has less displacement, yet still manages to beat the M5. The cars are otherwise pretty equal as far as Awd and auto trannies go. They did It from a roll and dig. I have an F10 M5, just waiting to pull the trigger on the f90 but am hesitating.

The way you rave about the F90, in shocked you aren't getting two of them!

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

The way you rave about the F90, in shocked you aren't getting two of them!

Raving? No. Just being factual.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by vtknight

Raving? No. Just being factual.

Don't think that was aimed at you. I think he was being sarcastic about what M5stallion was saying.

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by mirob

Don't think that was aimed at you. I think he was being sarcastic about what M5stallion was saying.

Gotcha...no stress either way...

[M5stallion]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

The way you rave about the F90, in shocked you aren't getting two of them!

Well my nephew has a whole bunch of M stickers, so I may just do like VTK and stick them all over a 528i and be done with it

.....

Or maybe not