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Mr. Christopher Weil,
A beautiful car looks good in any angle and any pictures, not only in person! No posters with 4 Series or new M3 then, since they look like crap? And BTW, I have seen it in person. It is horrible. I am in the middle of ordering the M340 as we speak since the new M3 is a nono for me, Mr Weil !!! (You should hear my girl’s opinion and you will quit your job!) I just regret that I lost all this time waiting for this ugly AF (!) M3. Thanks to you, I also ordered and wait for my RS6. |
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12-06-2020, 01:00 PM | #24 |
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“The 4 Series, in our aim, should be more expressive, more progressive and also more elegant than the 3 Series."
Whatever Mr. Weil is smoking is some expensive stuff. I don't think there is one person on the planet, including some of the fanboys here, who would call the new 4 "elegant", unless they are into pig nostrils. |
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12-06-2020, 03:28 PM | #26 | |
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And they never did it on the M5 or M6. Don't you think that would have been a more challenging thermal and aero issue with a V10 and a V8? It wasn't necessary, was it? This is really just a tempest in a teapot with dogs seeing who can pea the higher up that tree. This, too, will pass, just like the Bangle Butt. Bad design is bad design. BMW never seccumbed to such aesthetic excess or gross ornamentation before. What happened to BMW being a design leader? They are obviously following now. Last edited by BMWCCA1; 12-06-2020 at 03:36 PM.. |
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12-06-2020, 03:32 PM | #27 |
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It occurs to me that if customization is so simple, why doesn't BMW offer a "classic" version of the 4 series. Should be easy according to what he says. Of course, the answer is probably that the "classic" will probably outsell the new version 4-1.
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12-06-2020, 03:44 PM | #28 | |
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No need to get worked up on this interview. What else did you expect him to say? Fall on his sword and admit that they goofed?
It's a PR attempt to deflect the criticism and save some dignity. See the comment below by BMWCCA1. They should by now, be aware that there's a problem. This will get interesting. We should all start a poll on how much time before LCI happens. Typically 3-4 years right? I'd say. maybe 2 years lol? or a mini LCI? Quote:
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12-06-2020, 04:03 PM | #29 |
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Design goof was bad enough. What was worse is that they came out with the PR campaign literally insulting all of us and implying that we have some serious personality disorders for not accepting their obnoxious and disjointed design language. I, for one, will not forget that.
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12-08-2020, 11:25 AM | #32 | |
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"The BMW M3 Sedan grew out of a fusion between the two designs. The design involved an unprecedented combination of a front section based on the Coupé’s front end and a tail section derived from the Sedan." It was done this way from the start and continues into the G8x. Also when you say "There were M3s before there were 4-series," that's true in name only. The 3-Series Coupe begat the 4-Series. They split out the coupe into the 4-Series to be consistent with BMW nomenclature with even-numbering for coupes. There may be more divergence between the 3-Series and 4-Series in the future however. |
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12-08-2020, 12:08 PM | #33 | |
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From what I understood from the article. "The new 4 series is ugly, feel free to change its look"
As for the picture doesn't do it justice. That is correct. It's even uglier in person. |
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Modifying the body doesn't mean modifying the engine. So yeah, I'm sure he's open to users changing the body, just don't touch the engine
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12-15-2020, 06:26 PM | #39 |
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Had a customer in for a test-drive in one yesterday. Now he wants to wait for the Gran Coupe! Didn't really say a word about the grille. More taken aback by the price of the base 430ix. Probably isn't even aware of the controversy. He's currently in an F10.
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I think BMW's immediate problem on changing course on the ugly grills is how do you explain to the 14 customers who bought the 4 series that you recognized that you sold them an ugly car. They will be ticked off unless they get some compensation.
so the customization BS may be BMW's way of trying to get out of the conundrum of the ugly grills having already been sold to some folks. |
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12-16-2020, 11:15 AM | #42 | |
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Hopefully the public rejects these ridiculous cars. BMW is lost.
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I know this is sacrilegious but I will totally pick up a cheap ugly face 4 series lease if they fail to move a substantial amount. It's still a great car in every way except for the front end
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Fair enough.
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