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      08-24-2018, 11:56 AM   #23
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Damn English keyboards right mate? LOL

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Yes BMW don't have enough models so made a new one.

Typo - my bad. The 3 and 4 happen to be next to each other and I pressed the wrong key.
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      08-24-2018, 12:06 PM   #24
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Always getting me into trouble mate.
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And now do some Dragy/Vbox runs lol

I know a few cars tuned and times still suck. Does not translate to real world/ Road

Let's see!
https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1516807

Last page on this link is a 10.60 at +130mph with high octane.

Terry has gone 10.6 with high octane.

Here is my 10.8 on pump gas :
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Killer power for pure stock. I used to own a DynoDynamics Dyno. Heartbreaker as compared to Dynojet. Much better for tuning though as the load control is awesome.
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Some call it heart breaker we just think it is realistic.
Some people are overly dramatic..

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Forgive me, I'm so used to seeing WHP in a dyno result. I had the sound down. My bad. In that case the HP being advertised is somewhat accurate.
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Which is what any result should be given in.
true story. I can do my own math.

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In Europe people are used to seeing crank figures. We usually show both but for the purposes of the video just showed one.
" we usually show both.. but when we made a video for the internet.. "

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TBH I haven't extracted the wheel data for these particular runs as it was not the purpose of this test. It was just to get us a base line before making changes. We go to a Dyno Jet to get wheel power figures so that they are comparable with US figures as they read so much higher than the Dyno Dynamics and then we have to continually explain why our figures are so low.

Dyno's are tools to measure the delta between modifications for us not to say what the absolute power is.

UK Dyno Jet figures at the wheels coming soon.

Examples of other typical M Power calculated crank figures from our Dyno Dynamics in Shoot Out Mode.

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Very true! Love my DynoDynamics in shootout mode. Who needs variables, right?
BLAH BLAH BLAH..

Any time there is a dyno thread ... shops feel like they have to justify their dyno purchase. less talk about the dyno and more talk about the numbers.

All folks need is the RWHP number and the type of machine.. with as little manipulations to the data as possible.

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      08-24-2018, 02:37 PM   #28
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It would be easier if everyone just went out and invested $100k on a dyno and did their own thing. You try to provide some info, and yes you are right, this is how it ALWYAYS ends up. Smart ass comments from people who have no idea of calculations and variables. He was trying to answer specific questions that were thrown at him earlier in the thread.


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Some people are overly dramatic..





true story. I can do my own math.

" we usually show both.. but when we made a video for the internet.. "






BLAH BLAH BLAH..

Any time there is a dyno thread ... shops feel like they have to justify their dyno purchase. less talk about the dyno and more talk about the numbers.

All folks need is the RWHP number and the type of machine.. with as little manipulations to the data as possible.
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It would be easier if everyone just went out and invested $100k on a dyno and did their own thing. You try to provide some info, and yes you are right, this is how it ALWYAYS ends up. Smart ass comments from people who have no idea of calculations and variables. He was trying to answer specific questions that were thrown at him earlier in the thread.
YEP a "Smart arse always comes out of the woodwork". I criticized Evolve years ago, wrongly I might add, since those days they have become a great tuning outlet IMO, an honest bunch with cars tuned and proving there worth.
Never mind the BLA DE BLA bullsh*t
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All Dyno data provided could/should be J1349 from all suppliers of data to avoid mix up confusion. Not too easy for every dyno owner in the world to be on the same page though haha

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YEP a "Smart arse always comes out of the woodwork". I criticized Evolve years ago, wrongly I might add, since those days they have become a great tuning outlet IMO, an honest bunch with cars tuned and proving there worth.
Never mind the BLA DE BLA bullsh*t
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I have been on track with a BMW Performance Driving School driver and all I can say is this car has boat loads of sneaky power. It feels so smooth and so powerful, for a smaller track, it felt as though it was laughing at the short sprints and had power for days. IMO, this is the ultimate all around sedan. Well done BMW
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All Dyno data provided could/should be J1349 from all suppliers of data to avoid mix up confusion. Not too easy for every dyno owner in the world to be on the same page though haha
As Evolve stated It's for a "base line to work from" so no exaggeration figures just what the car put out on the day, with more miles it will change, but as also stated Dyno data is for comparison only to alterations/tunes.
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Which is what any result should be given in.
WHP is the enthusiasts common denominator, yes. Still though, dynos should only be used as a tuning tool. Begin with a baseline, progress from there with your various add-ons.

SAE certified figured are where it's at, IMO. If GM says the C7 Corvette is SAE 465, I'm convinced. if BMW says F90 is 600 HP, I ain't buying it.
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Exactly what everyone else said.... but man that intro showing the M5 getting strapped down...that was sexy! Right?
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It would be easier if everyone just went out and invested $100k on a dyno and did their own thing. You try to provide some info, and yes you are right, this is how it ALWYAYS ends up. Smart ass comments from people who have no idea of calculations and variables. He was trying to answer specific questions that were thrown at him earlier in the thread.


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Some people are overly dramatic..





true story. I can do my own math.

" we usually show both.. but when we made a video for the internet.. "






BLAH BLAH BLAH..

Any time there is a dyno thread ... shops feel like they have to justify their dyno purchase. less talk about the dyno and more talk about the numbers.

All folks need is the RWHP number and the type of machine.. with as little manipulations to the data as possible.
And I suppose you know how to calculate BHP from WHP in every vehicle? Doubt it.
This was my point. Get it? I know what I need to know.
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It would be easier if everyone just went out and invested $100k on a dyno and did their own thing. You try to provide some info, and yes you are right, this is how it ALWYAYS ends up. Smart ass comments from people who have no idea of calculations and variables. He was trying to answer specific questions that were thrown at him earlier in the thread.


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Some people are overly dramatic..





true story. I can do my own math.

" we usually show both.. but when we made a video for the internet.. "






BLAH BLAH BLAH..

Any time there is a dyno thread ... shops feel like they have to justify their dyno purchase. less talk about the dyno and more talk about the numbers.

All folks need is the RWHP number and the type of machine.. with as little manipulations to the data as possible.
And I suppose you know how to calculate BHP from WHP in every vehicle? Doubt it.
This was my point. Get it? I know what I need to know.
Perhaps the context was lost somewhere. All good.
No problem buddy. Have a great weekend!
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Which is what any result should be given in.
WHP is the enthusiasts common denominator, yes. Still though, dynos should only be used as a tuning tool. Begin with a baseline, progress from there with your various add-ons.

SAE certified figured are where it's at, IMO. If GM says the C7 Corvette is SAE 465, I'm convinced. if BMW says F90 is 600 HP, I ain't buying it.
Not the entire population in the world lives in the US... SAE is an American organization with standards applied by US manufacturers. The UN has ECE stds that is used in Europe.

To get a car type approved and legal for sale in Europe it has to be tested by a independent technical service (test facility like TÜV, DEKRA etc). For type approval testing BMW have to provide a engine for independent dyno testing and the engine's power and torque figures (throughout the rev range) has to be within 1% of what BMW claims. Later on during production of the car, spot tests can be done and the power and torque figures then has to be within 5% of the claimed figures (to allow for tolerances and minor adjustments during a production run).

Btw, companies like BMW, Porsche, MB etc generally make two separate versions of their cars; The US model and ROW (Rest of world). Only the US model is compliant to FMVSS (which unlike ECE does not require independent testing of most regulatory acts).
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And now do some Dragy/Vbox runs lol

I know a few cars tuned and times still suck. Does not translate to real world/ Road

Let's see!
https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1516807

Last page on this link is a 10.60 at +130mph with high octane.

Terry has gone 10.6 with high octane.

Here is my 10.8 on pump gas :
Great numbers !!

Just not really impressed as the predecessor was simply faster lol.

I will say the F90 is allot better put together in terms of driving.

Tunes for the car are still in its infancy.. looking forward to the updates!
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The M5 was tested in the french Magazine Sport Auto and it yields 619 HP on the DM Performance Superflow Windyn 4WD Dyno (for 600 HP manufacturer)... For comparison the Porsche GT2-RS was measured at 715 HP (for 700 HP manufacturer), the McLaren 720S at 735 HP (for 720 HP manufacturer).

IMO best way to measure HP is with the same dyno, using different cars so you can have a direct comparison...

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Much in line with EVOLVE results.
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Updated dyno with putting the car into dyno mode with the inbuilt hidden menu.

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