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      05-12-2017, 05:44 PM   #1
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F90 M5 - Full details and first drive in this month's Evo magazine!

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F90 M5 - Full details and first "preview" drive in this month's Evo magazine.

Car is still in camo in the article.

610bhp 4.4 litre V8 twin turbo
516lb ft torque
8 speed auto box not DCT dual clutch
1850kg
Sub 3.5 sec 0-60
£78,500

Switchable active sports exhaust

DSC Modes:
1: Fully on = 4WD with rear bias
2: M Dynamic Mode = 4WD Sport with greater rear bias and slip angle
3: Off = You then have a choice of 4WD, 4WD Sport or 2WD!

+ Thuggish power with versatile powertrain; promisingly agile.
- Not cheap; we haven't had a proper drive yet.

PS. UK dealers were having their first drives at BMW UK's pre-launch event this week.

PPS. Evo also mentioned a Sept launch.
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F90 M5 - Full details and first "preview" drive in this month's Evo magazine.

Car is still in camo in the article.

610bhp 4.4 litre V8 twin turbo
8 speed auto box not DCT dual clutch
Sub 3.5 sec 0-60
£78,500

DSC Modes:
1: Fully on = 4WD with slight rear bias
2: M Dynamic Mode = 4WD Sport with greater rear bias and slip angle
3: Off = You then have a choice of 4WD, 4WD Sport or 2WD!

+ Thuggish power with versatile power train; promisingly agile.
- Not cheap; we haven't had a proper drive yet.
Thanks for sharing the detail, I can hardly wait. Best, Gene.
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F90 M5 - Full details and first "preview" drive in this month's Evo magazine.

Car is still in camo in the article.

610bhp 4.4 litre V8 twin turbo
8 speed auto box not DCT dual clutch
Sub 3.5 sec 0-60
£78,500

DSC Modes:
1: Fully on = 4WD with slight rear bias
2: M Dynamic Mode = 4WD Sport with greater rear bias and slip angle
3: Off = You then have a choice of 4WD, 4WD Sport or 2WD!

+ Thuggish power with versatile power train; promisingly agile.
- Not cheap; we haven't had a proper drive yet.
Pics please!
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Weight distribution and total weight figure mentioned?
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Weight distribution and total weight figure mentioned?
1850kg - No mention of distribution
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Is that horsepower 610 metric HP (448kW) like the M760i, or actually 610 bhp that would be about 618 metric HP??
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Is that horsepower 610 metric HP (448kW) like the M760i, or actually 610 bhp that would be about 618 metric HP??
That's an interesting one...

The spec box at the end of the article says 610bhp however the text in the main article says...

"On track, the new M5 feels as brutally rapid as you might expect. BMW hints at a final output figure of around 610bhp, with in excess of 516lb ft of torque, but if that's the case then these are particularly well-fed Bavarian horses of notable parentage."

Sounds like BMW are going to be conservative with the quoted figures vs. reality - so it will be interesting to see what "official" figures BMW decide to publish in their own press release when it comes.

Evo also mentioned a Sept launch.
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Thank you for sharing
So this is what the BMW embargo was all about!

700Nm of torque is impressive but it is considerably down to the E63s (850Nm)
I was also expecting more on weight savings, considering that a M550i weight 1885kg (loaded)

As for the price.. well, ain’t cheap but it looks reasonable to me
The price between the 2 generations has gone up by 6% (£73.985 for the F10 at launch)

Glad to hear about the “Switchable active sports exhaust” feature … One mod less
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Saw this in Evo as well along with a good Super Saloon Roundup in Autocar recently for the E63S.

I've got a current gen F10 M5 and had a C63S before it. I rejected that because I had build quality issues with it which they just could sorted after 8 visits to the dealer. The M5 was my second choice of those two cars however it's been lovely in fairness.

So couple of things from those mags and cars I've owned. The Autocar mentions that the E63S despite having air suspension is even more firmly dampted than the C63. That to me is a deal breaker. The C63S was fine in my eyes but heading towards border line for U.K. road comfort. The F10 M5 on the other hand is supremely comfortable also with good body control when you want it. The seats are also far more comfortable as well. So I don't think most people buy 5 series / E class sized cars for track days generally so this stuff is actually very important in my eyes.

The other thing I noticed on the Evo photos is despite the cover it's obvious that M5 had the front radar. I must say when doing long journeys I miss active cruise control but it looks like the next M5 will be able to have this.

I suspect in the U.K. with 4 wheel drive it'll far more usable / fast a lot of the time. If they don't screw with the comfort and get good handling plus offer missing things like active cruise as I think it's going to have it's just going to be an amazing car. It'll top it's class without question as I think Merc have ruined their own amazing car with terrible ride quality.
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      05-14-2017, 12:49 AM   #10
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Autocar will have their 1st drive of the car in their next issue too, so it means that the 1st reviews of the pre-production camouflaged M5's are to arrive next week when the press embargoes are over...
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Ha! That would be a miracle if it really is 1850 kgs or 4,078lbs.

I highly doubt it will weigh that little.

At this point, it's all still rumor.

Also, that would be a joke if they switched to an 8spd Auto claiming that the DCT can't handle the torque. That's only 15 more torque than F10 M5.
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Think it will be more the DCT doesn't work with 4 wheel drive. Otherwise I imagine the X5M and X6M would have used the DCT as well.

Sure with money I imagine that could be fixed but they have a price point to hit as well so has to be some compromises. I don't think the ZF8 is a bad gearbox at all.

Oh and don't forget the additional gear might help them improve the fuel economy figures and such. Sure most buying this car don't care but governments force car companies to keep improving this stuff so they've little choice
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Humm these numbers are looking good!!!
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What happened to the thread you started?
I was combined with the main M5 thread.......
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Think it will be more the DCT doesn't work with 4 wheel drive. Otherwise I imagine the X5M and X6M would have used the DCT as well.
And I suppose and Audi and Lamborghini are have figured it how to make a DCT work with AWD and BMW can't?

It won't matter what reason BMW gives, the facts are that DCT's can handle the torque, DCT's can be used with AWD drivetrains, and DCT's can be fuel efficient if given enough gears. The truth is that by using a ZF Auto in the next M5 and probably M8 (since there will be no next M6), they will save a lot of money because the rest of their entire lineup uses the ZF Auto transmission. All they need to do for the M5/M8 is beef up the clutches and re-tune it for high torque applications such as in the next M cars. It's nothing but a money saving exercise for them. Gone are the days of having bespoke components for M cars. Thank God there's still Porsche with their beautiful PDK's.
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And I suppose and Audi and Lamborghini are have figured it how to make a DCT work with AWD and BMW can't?

It won't matter what reason BMW gives, the facts are that DCT's can handle the torque, DCT's can be used with AWD drivetrains, and DCT's can be fuel efficient if given enough gears. The truth is that by using a ZF Auto in the next M5 and probably M8 (since there will be no next M6), they will save a lot of money because the rest of their entire lineup uses the ZF Auto transmission. All they need to do for the M5/M8 is beef up the clutches and re-tune it for high torque applications such as in the next M cars. It's nothing but a money saving exercise for them. Gone are the days of having bespoke components for M cars. Thank God there's still Porsche with their beautiful PDK's.
I never said a DCT cannot work with all wheel drive. I said I don't think the BMW one does. They don't make them anyway so sure they can buy one but they also have a price point to hit.

Wait until there's some reviews out and even you get to drive one yourself. I highly doubt it'll disappoint as a whole package.
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Gone are the days of having bespoke components for M cars. Thank God there's still Porsche with their beautiful PDK's.
Right, but would you pay Porsche prices for an M5? The Panamera Turbo is $150K before options...

There isn't enough margin or volume in the M5 for BMW to invest much in bespoke components.

Even Porsche tries to share components, such as the Panamera engines that they are sourcing from Audi which uses them in other cars like the RS 5.
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I highly doubt it'll disappoint as a whole package.
It will probably be fine, but isn't it basically just an M550ix with even more overkill power that's completely useless on public roads? Using the same transmission (even if the tuning is somewhat different) would make it feel pretty similar, and the M550ix already has a really good suspension.
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Right, but would you pay Porsche prices for an M5? The Panamera Turbo is $150K before options...

There isn't enough margin or volume in the M5 for BMW to invest much in bespoke components.

Even Porsche tries to share components, such as the Panamera engines that they are sourcing from Audi which uses them in other cars like the RS 5.
Exactly. That car isn't far off twice the price in the U.K. vs an M5.

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It will probably be fine, but isn't it basically just an M550ix with even more overkill power that's completely useless on public roads? Using the same transmission (even if the tuning is somewhat different) would make it feel pretty similar, and the M550ix already has a really good suspension.
There's probably a bit more to it but I do understand where your coming from. If the M550ix is good enough then go for it and save the money. Otherwise if you do want more speed there will be the M5. Choice is always good.

Oh and with all wheel drive it'll be more usable on public roads if you ask me. Also the ZF8 speed probably better suited for city traffic as well.
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Is the review releasing tomorrow right?
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Gone are the days of having bespoke components for M cars. Thank God there's still Porsche with their beautiful PDK's.
Right, but would you pay Porsche prices for an M5? The Panamera Turbo is $150K before options...

There isn't enough margin or volume in the M5 for BMW to invest much in bespoke components.

Even Porsche tries to share components, such as the Panamera engines that they are sourcing from Audi which uses them in other cars like the RS 5.
Oh believe me sir, we will see fully loaded M5's exceed $140k USD, which isn't too far from Panamera prices.
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