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      05-20-2020, 10:48 AM   #1
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Question good idea to move from F86 to F90 M5 ?

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I am currently a 2017 X6M owner, was thinking about update my car. Part of me wants the new 911 4S, meanwhile I do want to consider practicability (also budget ) Do you guys think it is worth updating from F86 to F90 in terms of driving experience: handling/DD?

Thanks a lot.

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Definitely.

The F90 is stupid fast, and handles like a dream, for a large car that is.
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Do you need a back seat? Are you OK with getting into and out of a 911 and being that close to the ground? Totally different experiences between the two vehicles. M5 is a very, very fast and capable luxury car. 911 is a traditional Grand Touring car and is going to be louder with more feedback, but also sharper responses and more engaging.
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[QUOTE=brava09;26202767]Definitely.

The F90 is stupid fast, and handles like a dream, for a large car that is.

Thanks for your input. the F86 I’m having just does not feel quick when flooring it , although it is actually pretty quick for a SUV. (Might be too big/heavy). I want to make sure it is worth the money considering it is basically same engine with slight different tune.
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Do you need a back seat? Are you OK with getting into and out of a 911 and being that close to the ground? Totally different experiences between the two vehicles. M5 is a very, very fast and capable luxury car. 911 is a traditional Grand Touring car and is going to be louder with more feedback, but also sharper responses and more engaging.
Yeah, agree with you they are apples and oranges. Switching from F86->F90, it just feels like same brand, same M model. Switching to 992 it’s a totally different
Story, also probably want to keep it 5+ years. Reliability is another factor. But man, the Doug score of M5 really gets me here.
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Do you need a back seat? Are you OK with getting into and out of a 911 and being that close to the ground? Totally different experiences between the two vehicles. M5 is a very, very fast and capable luxury car. 911 is a traditional Grand Touring car and is going to be louder with more feedback, but also sharper responses and more engaging.
Yeah, agree with you they are apples and oranges. Switching from F86->F90, it just feels like same brand, same M model. Switching to 992 it’s a totally different
Story, also probably want to keep it 5+ years. Reliability is another factor. But man, the Doug score of M5 really gets me here.
If you value sport over utility, 911 for sure. If you value utility and straight line speed (with a tune), I think f90. I would not put the x6m and f90 in same category though...I love, no adore, the x6m for all that it is, but it performs nowhere close to the f90.
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Do you need a back seat? Are you OK with getting into and out of a 911 and being that close to the ground? Totally different experiences between the two vehicles. M5 is a very, very fast and capable luxury car. 911 is a traditional Grand Touring car and is going to be louder with more feedback, but also sharper responses and more engaging.
Yeah, agree with you they are apples and oranges. Switching from F86->F90, it just feels like same brand, same M model. Switching to 992 it's a totally different
Story, also probably want to keep it 5+ years. Reliability is another factor. But man, the Doug score of M5 really gets me here.
If you value sport over utility, 911 for sure. If you value utility and straight line speed (with a tune), I think f90. I would not put the x6m and f90 in same category though...I love, no adore, the x6m for all that it is, but it performs nowhere close to the f90.
I assume the new X6M is better than the F86, though would still get soundly beaten by the F90?
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Do you need a back seat? Are you OK with getting into and out of a 911 and being that close to the ground? Totally different experiences between the two vehicles. M5 is a very, very fast and capable luxury car. 911 is a traditional Grand Touring car and is going to be louder with more feedback, but also sharper responses and more engaging.
Yeah, agree with you they are apples and oranges. Switching from F86->F90, it just feels like same brand, same M model. Switching to 992 it's a totally different
Story, also probably want to keep it 5+ years. Reliability is another factor. But man, the Doug score of M5 really gets me here.
If you value sport over utility, 911 for sure. If you value utility and straight line speed (with a tune), I think f90. I would not put the x6m and f90 in same category though...I love, no adore, the x6m for all that it is, but it performs nowhere close to the f90.
I assume the new X6M is better than the F86, though would still get soundly beaten by the F90?
No idea bud. I was commenting on the f86 vs f90. I imagine the new x6m will be an improvement over the f86, as typical.
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The M5 is a decent improvement over your x6m but it'll just feel like a shorter, lighter, slightly more powerful version of your car. It's not a huge difference like a 911 would be.
On paper, the 992 4s doesn't seem to justify the price over an M5 but if you test drive it, you will most likely agree with the price difference and might even find the 911 to be too cheap for how good it is!
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Hi floks,

I am currently a 2017 X6M owner, was thinking about update my car. Part of me wants the new 911 4S, meanwhile I do want to consider practicability (also budget ) Do you guys think it is worth updating from F86 to F90 in terms of driving experience: handling/DD?

Thanks a lot.

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I just made the switch sold my f86 and got a nardo grey m5c on the way
I’ll let you in a week or so once I have the car in my hands.
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The F90 M5 handles better than you might imagine...check out its nordschleife lap time and some of the company it keeps there.
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife
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I came out of an X5 to an F90 M5. Keep in mind about the ground clearance too. The front of the M5 never touches the ground but I'm sure the 911 will from time to time.
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Hi floks,

I am currently a 2017 X6M owner, was thinking about update my car. Part of me wants the new 911 4S, meanwhile I do want to consider practicability (also budget ) Do you guys think it is worth updating from F86 to F90 in terms of driving experience: handling/DD?

Thanks a lot.

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I took delivery of a 2020 M5C after being in a lightly tuned F85 for 3 years. Only thing I miss is the extra space. And not just trunk space, interior storage space is really non existent - one sun glass case in the glove box without the owner's manual and a few items in the door. Center console can hold your keys and registration only.

But the M5C is very fast stock and handles like its on rails! Much more capable performer than my nearly 700hp F85. Again, sans the space issue, you shouldn't miss the F86 although at times I do ask myself whether I loved my F85 because of the overall performance or because of how it performed for an SUV.

We did pick up an X7 4.0i M sport for the wife to make up for the lost space and addition of baby #2 - she had a 17 GLC 43. We're very happy with both purchases!
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I took delivery of a 2020 M5C after being in a lightly tuned F85 for 3 years. Only thing I miss is the extra space. And not just trunk space, interior storage space is really non existent - one sun glass case in the glove box without the owner's manual and a few items in the door. Center console can hold your keys and registration only.

But the M5C is very fast stock and handles like its on rails! Much more capable performer than my nearly 700hp F85. Again, sans the space issue, you shouldn't miss the F86 although at times I do ask myself whether I loved my F85 because of the overall performance or because of how it performed for an SUV.

We did pick up an X7 4.0i M sport for the wife to make up for the lost space and addition of baby #2 - she had a 17 GLC 43. We're very happy with both purchases!
Thanks a lot! The “much more capable performer” I guess I will go to dealer to take a look this weekend. Irreverent: do you plan to keep your car M5CS long term?
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I'm going to purchase the 992s or 4s 911 after trading in my f85 X5M. I am very disheartened by BMW's steering feel in these M cars. The F85 or F86 is a fantastic vehicle but there is no connection between car and driver and from what I have read this applies to all M's except maybe the M2. BMW M's very fast, good handling, effortless driving (geez) boring. A manual transmission 992 will satisfy my longing for involvement.
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Thanks a lot! The “much more capable performer” I guess I will go to dealer to take a look this weekend. Irreverent: do you plan to keep your car M5CS long term?
Probably. I'm only 2,000 miles in and love it. I get it, its not a 911 Turbo S but I do need the back seat for the two kids so a coupe or 2 seat sports car is not in the cards for me. Not that there is any real daily driving but it is my daily driver...

To me, the M5C is best bang for your buck of any sports sedan on the market. If they go hybrid and the execution is flawless I would consider an upgrade but otherwise, I'm set for at least 3-4 years. I haven't even done any performance mods yet.

Also my opinion but the M8 GC isn't $20-30k better than the M5C and while I like the Porsche Panamera Turbo S Sport Turismo E-Hybrid, I'm not interested in buying a used car for $140k+.
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I took delivery of a 2020 M5C after being in a lightly tuned F85 for 3 years. Only thing I miss is the extra space. And not just trunk space, interior storage space is really non existent - one sun glass case in the glove box without the owner's manual and a few items in the door. Center console can hold your keys and registration only.

But the M5C is very fast stock and handles like its on rails! Much more capable performer than my nearly 700hp F85. Again, sans the space issue, you shouldn't miss the F86 although at times I do ask myself whether I loved my F85 because of the overall performance or because of how it performed for an SUV.

We did pick up an X7 4.0i M sport for the wife to make up for the lost space and addition of baby #2 - she had a 17 GLC 43. We're very happy with both purchases!
We got an M5 and X7 same day too. Came out of two 2017 X5s.
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We got an M5 and X7 same day too. Came out of two 2017 X5s.
I'm just glad I was able to convince her to go with BMW over MB.
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I had a 2019 M5 and now have a 992 C2S. It all depends on what you need. Yes the M5 is faster in a straight line on the highway. Off the line probably due to excellent PDk trans they feel the same. I enjoy the 992 much much better. Handling/steering/fun. I don't need a back seat for ppl but do put things in the back seats when needed.
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I had a 2019 M5 and now have a 992 C2S. It all depends on what you need. Yes the M5 is faster in a straight line on the highway. Off the line probably due to excellent PDk trans they feel the same. I enjoy the 992 much much better. Handling/steering/fun. I don't need a back seat for ppl but do put things in the back seats when needed.
do you think money wise switching from F90 into 992 worth it?
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I had a 2019 M5 and now have a 992 C2S. It all depends on what you need. Yes the M5 is faster in a straight line on the highway. Off the line probably due to excellent PDk trans they feel the same. I enjoy the 992 much much better. Handling/steering/fun. I don't need a back seat for ppl but do put things in the back seats when needed.
do you think money wise switching from F90 into 992 worth it?
Hard to say. Bought my 2019 M5 new at end of 2018 msrp was119k and I paid 95k. They depreciate a ton. My 992 C2S was 135 paid 120. I'm
Hearing most of porsche dealers are going is 7% off ish which should keep values higher at least in short term. Well worth it for me. I barely drove the M5 love the 992

I skipped the C4S bc unlike past gens the 992 gen is same body exact same car other than awd and a 7300 cost.

With the engine in rear I don't slip and don't need awd.

Again IMO for my use and for what I think is substantially more fun to drive there is no comparison

I had a M4 Comp and I liked that better than my M5 just for some perspective on my end
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Hard to say. Bought my 2019 M5 new at end of 2018 msrp was119k and I paid 95k. They depreciate a ton. My 992 C2S was 135 paid 120. I'm
Hearing most of porsche dealers are going is 7% off ish which should keep values higher at least in short term. Well worth it for me. I barely drove the M5 love the 992

I skipped the C4S bc unlike past gens the 992 gen is same body exact same car other than awd and a 7300 cost.

With the engine in rear I don't slip and don't need awd.

Again IMO for my use and for what I think is substantially more fun to drive there is no comparison

I had a M4 Comp and I liked that better than my M5 just for some perspective on my end
Thanks for your input, I wish i could find a new M5 95K around new england. I called around today, the best they can do is 8% off
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