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      05-06-2020, 09:57 PM   #45
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Those are not ‘street cars’ lol.
There are street-driven GTRs w/full interior in the 7s.... 60-130 in the 2s. Full interior street-driven TT Lambos hitting over 200mph in the 1/2 mile. You just need to look and believe.... lol.
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MUCH easier for an old guy like me to get in/out of the Porsche !
720S not too bad to get in and out. Could be worse. Could be an i8
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For the price of 720S, I'd buy M5 Competition for everyday use and M8 Competition for track, strip out all the heavy interior bits, de cat, remap, lightweight wheels and sticky tyres.
And you would still have a car for the track that was far too heavy. Try something lightweight and you won't look back!
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And you would still have a car for the track that was far too heavy. Try something lightweight and you won't look back!


my exact sentiments.
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And you would still have a car for the track that was far too heavy. Try something lightweight and you won't look back!
Agreed. A sub 3500 lbs car will be a universal difference vs a 4000+ lb car.
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M340 would own both of those
Haha haha. Nice one.

You're joking, right?
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There are street-driven GTRs w/full interior in the 7s.... 60-130 in the 2s. Full interior street-driven TT Lambos hitting over 200mph in the 1/2 mile. You just need to look and believe.... lol.
Just because they are street-driven doesn't mean that they see daily duty miles.

My buddy has a 1500whp (mustang dyno verified) fully built shep trans/ETS GTR and he said he runs it at the high 7/low 8second 1/4 mile power level ONLY during 1/2 mile events (where he does 1-2 glory runs) since drag racing will break something after 5-10 launches & otherwise keeps it turned down to about 900-1000whp.

You cannot daily ANYTHING with 1500whp+ reliably no matter the build unless you are truly baby'ing it everywhere, while also putting race fuel every single day, and just don't care if something breaks (which at that power level is a minimum 10-15k fix each time).

People with 1500whp GTR's/Huracans maybe see 100 miles a month of driving IF that.

Also just to name my point here is a thread covering 720s vs turbo Huracan numbers.

https://www.lambopower.com/forum/ind...n-take-a-720s/

With the 720s having a 60-130 in the low 5's (5.1-5.3), you'll need at LEAST 800whp to even stay dead with one (which coincidentally is what most TT Huracans run on a pump gas tune unless you are running their Stage 3+ builds at 1000whp pump). If we mod the 720s with downpipes, tune and turbo (pure turbos), you need at least 1000whp (which is minimum built motor for the Huracan to even have a chance which required Stage 3+ with a built motor to run race gas as well)

One thing to add; you say that GTR's/Huracans are the fastest cars, well of course they are, they are making 3000whp in top tier builds (get 3 runs and replace something builds).

We aren't even talking about the same realm of cars at this point, those are half million dollar builds (200k for the car minimum + 300k+ for the X UGR build). If I put 150k into a muscle car (C6 with 3000whp), I'm running 6's easily and reliably with some 7.0+ liter big block V8 (Nelson racing engine or something) with 3,000whp.

No need to spend 500k and I'll have a much cheaper but more reliable car. There is still no Huracan/Gallardos in the 6 second 1/4 mile. Whereas 150k can easily get you there in a big block, big turbo.

And this is coming from an owner of a H Evo.

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Just because they are street-driven doesn't mean that they see daily duty miles.

My buddy has a 1500whp (mustang dyno verified) fully built shep trans/ETS GTR and he said he runs it at the high 7/low 8second 1/4 mile power level ONLY during 1/2 mile events (where he does 1-2 glory runs) since drag racing will break something after 5-10 launches & otherwise keeps it turned down to about 900-1000whp.

You cannot daily ANYTHING with 1500whp+ reliably no matter the build unless you are truly baby'ing it everywhere, while also putting race fuel every single day, and just don't care if something breaks (which at that power level is a minimum 10-15k fix each time).

People with 1500whp GTR's/Huracans maybe see 100 miles a month of driving IF that.

Also just to name my point here is a thread covering 720s vs turbo Huracan numbers.

https://www.lambopower.com/forum/ind...n-take-a-720s/

With the 720s having a 60-130 in the low 5's (5.1-5.3), you'll need at LEAST 800whp to even stay dead with one (which coincidentally is what most TT Huracans run on a pump gas tune unless you are running their Stage 3+ builds at 1000whp pump). If we mod the 720s with downpipes, tune and turbo (pure turbos), you need at least 1000whp (which is minimum built motor for the Huracan to even have a chance which required Stage 3+ with a built motor to run race gas as well)

One thing to add; you say that GTR's/Huracans are the fastest cars, well of course they are, they are making 3000whp in top tier builds (get 3 runs and replace something builds).

We aren't even talking about the same realm of cars at this point, those are half million dollar builds (200k for the car minimum + 300k+ for the X UGR build). If I put 150k into a muscle car (C6 with 3000whp), I'm running 6's easily and reliably with some 7.0+ liter big block V8 (Nelson racing engine or something) with 3,000whp.

No need to spend 500k and I'll have a much cheaper but more reliable car. There is still no Huracan/Gallardos in the 6 second 1/4 mile. Whereas 150k can easily get you there in a big block, big turbo.

And this is coming from an owner of a H Evo.


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Merica' for the win baby.
Agreed for BIG power. Even though my faster car is a 427LS twin turbo, you can not beat the BBC for big, reliable power. They are crazy heavy, but bullet proof. I had a 713ci BBC with no power adder in a 70 Firebird that ran high 7's in the 170's in the 1/4. Rowdy on the street, but couldn't break it.
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Not delusional. Just ignorant since they haven't experienced that level of $$.

A 720s means an M5 Comp wont phase you as the "winter beater".


On another note, a 720s with a tune and downpipes is doing easy 3's 60-130mph. These cars are pulling on UGR TT Lambos. Checkout which cars can do 60-130mph in the 3 second range...
Its pulling on built UGRs?
3.80 second 60-130mph with a tune and downpipes.

You tell me what it's faster/slower than.
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3.80 second 60-130mph with a tune and downpipes.

You tell me what it's faster/slower than.
The 720 usually pulls low 4s 60-130mph with turbo upgrades... there are exceptions im sure but that is not nearly enough against the top dogz....

Built GTRs/Huracans will beat a turbod 720s from a roll and dig on the street and track. There are streetable full interior gtrs running in the mid 2s.

Built And Turbod Vipers/Mustangs will beat a turbod 720s(low 9s-high8s) at the track only if they are on slicks (which they usually are if they want to get that kind of power down), drag radials are not enough. Front-engine rwd 1200hp+ domestics are a handful on the street, they will only get that power down with slicks which are of course illegal on the street(even if cruising), usually street surfaces are poor —> rwd and high power do not mix unless at really high roll and even then very dangerous, they then become an extreme 1-trick pony so whats the point? Keep em’ at the track.... mclaren a little better at this power level as rear weight bias helps but as you can see in the video above vs lambo lots of problems getting power to the ground and stability an issue.

911 turbos need a built motor to keep up with a turbo-upg 720s, es850 kit or thereabout on stock motor will not compete. Forget the lesser 911s , they are slow-a$$ cars in this league even with upgrades. Same things goes for amgs and most other m cars. You may get one-off exceptions with turbod $hitboxes that run quick 60-130s but they are not the norm....

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The 720 usually pulls low 4s 60-130mph with turbo upgrades... there are exceptions im sure but that is not nearly enough against the top dogz....

Built GTRs/Huracans will beat a turbod 720s from a roll and dig on the street and track. There are streetable full interior gtrs running in the mid 2s.

Built And Turbod Vipers/Mustangs will beat a turbod 720s(low 9s-high8s) at the track only if they are on slicks (which they usually are if they want to get that kind of power down), drag radials are not enough. Front-engine rwd 1200hp+ domestics are a handful on the street, they will only get that power down with slicks which are of course illegal on the street(even if cruising), usually street surfaces are poor —> rwd and high power do not mix unless at really high roll and even then very dangerous, they then become an extreme 1-trick pony so whats the point? Keep em’ at the track.... mclaren a little better at this power level as rear weight bias helps but as you can see in the video above vs lambo lots of problems getting power to the ground and stability an issue.

911 turbos need a built motor to keep up with a turbo-upg 720s, es850 kit or thereabout on stock motor will not compete. Forget the lesser 911s , they are slow-a$$ cars in this league even with upgrades. Same things goes for amgs and most other m cars. You may get one-off exceptions with turbod $hitboxes that run quick 60-130s but they are not the norm....
Not sure where you got that info from for the 720s. The car does 60-130mph in 5.1sec stock. With a flash tune alone, it's mid, low 4's.
Tune, downpipes and R888's, it's running high 3's.

No turbo upgrades or any other modifications. Look up the values on dragy. Not all, but a good number of them are listed there for reference.
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Not sure where you got that info from for the 720s. The car does 60-130mph in 5.1sec stock. With a flash tune alone, it's mid, low 4's.
Tune, downpipes and R888's, it's running high 3's.

No turbo upgrades or any other modifications. Look up the values on dragy. Not all, but a good number of them are listed there for reference.
I got it right from the dragtimes web page!

Owner of dragtimes 720s on turbo upgrades runs 3.9, his friend miguel on the same turbo setup does a 4.2. Those are the quickest 720s on dragtimes.

But wtf cares, 720s comes no where close to turbod huracan/gtrs running 2s. Different league.... big boyz. THEY ARE STREET CARS....
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I got it right from the dragtimes web page!

Owner of dragtimes 720s on turbo upgrades runs 3.9, his friend miguel on the same turbo setup does a 4.2. Those are the quickest 720s on dragtimes.

But wtf cares, 720s comes no where close to turbod huracan/gtrs running 2s. Different league.... big boyz. THEY ARE STREET CARS....
We are basically saying, that none of us need to spend 150k PLUS a Lamborghini Huracan to keep up with a tuned 720s.

I'd rather have a 720s be 99% as fast and perfectly reliable (wonky electronics aside but it's not that bad at all). Then pay 400k to just beat it by a car length before we both get hauled off to jail.

I bought my EVO because I love N/A, but If I wanted fast, 720s is the best bang for buck supercar right now.

Also the "big boyz" you are talking about are not daily driver friendly, unless you invested in a built trans/built motor which runs 70k for a GTR and 150k for UGR car.

Why do all that? Why not just lease a 720s, throw on a tune/downpipe/exhaust, daily it for 2 years at 5k miles per year, $3,000 a month and then return back to stock and return OR just buy a nice used one for 230k.
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We are basically saying, that none of us need to spend 150k PLUS a Lamborghini Huracan to keep up with a tuned 720s.

I'd rather have a 720s be 99% as fast and perfectly reliable (wonky electronics aside but it's not that bad at all). Then pay 400k to just beat it by a car length before we both get hauled off to jail.

I bought my EVO because I love N/A, but If I wanted fast, 720s is the best bang for buck supercar right now.

Also the "big boyz" you are talking about are not daily driver friendly, unless you invested in a built trans/built motor which runs 70k for a GTR and 150k for UGR car.

Why do all that? Why not just lease a 720s, throw on a tune/downpipe/exhaust, daily it for 2 years at 5k miles per year, $3,000 a month and then return back to stock and return OR just buy a nice used one for 230k.


this is alot to agree on, and I do.
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I guess for some, coming in 2nd is not good enough .
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it's kinda the same concept for the f10/f90 guys, they are modding and modding, and yeah the car is fast, but why not just buy something actually faster? Yeah i get the whole thing about being a 4 door highway roller that seats 4 comfortably, but if you want to be "that" fast, just get a faster car and have warranty intact. Thats why i agree with Ghosty
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A question was asked about which formidable cars are faster/slower than a turbo-upgraded 720s, so i gave a summary.

I don’t know anything about a ghost and don’t care for tuning an m5 that is known to bend rods with more boost....
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it's kinda the same concept for the f10/f90 guys, they are modding and modding, and yeah the car is fast, but why not just buy something actually faster? Yeah i get the whole thing about being a 4 door highway roller that seats 4 comfortably, but if you want to be "that" fast, just get a faster car and have warranty intact. Thats why i agree with Ghosty
Because modding is a pathological addiction. If they will go ahead and buy a faster car for 250k, let’s say the new Turbo S, they will still mod it. Now that you can measure the modding improvements with a simple dragy device, this addiction became even worse.
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Because modding is a pathological addiction. If they will go ahead and buy a faster car for 250k, let’s say the new Turbo S, they will still mod it. Now that you can measure the modding improvements with a simple dragy device, this addiction became even worse.
Addiction? A strong word but I think it's fair for the most part so I agree.

Pathological? No, not at all--that's not remotely descriptive of me... unless I'm a pathological liar? Well, shit... now I'm just confused.

Modding is a choice and the risk is implied... and I'm all in; it's a HUGE part of the fun for me.
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Addiction? A strong word but I think it's fair for the most part so I agree.

Pathological? No, not at all--that's not remotely descriptive of me... unless I'm a pathological liar? Well, shit... now I'm just confused.

Modding is a choice and the risk is implied... and I'm all in; it's a HUGE part of the fun for me.
Yes, it is a choice at first. But once you mod your first performance car, you can’t go back to driving stock cars.
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Addiction? A strong word but I think it's fair for the most part so I agree.

Pathological? No, not at all--that's not remotely descriptive of me... unless I'm a pathological liar? Well, shit... now I'm just confused.

Modding is a choice and the risk is implied... and I'm all in; it's a HUGE part of the fun for me.
Yes, it is a choice at first. But once you mod your first performance car, you can't go back to driving stock cars.
I'm not disagreeing with the principle. But I am vehemently disagreeing with "pathological"; nothing more—that doesn't describe the motivation, the enjoyment, the process, the end result... to me.
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