Video: BMW M5 CS Prototype Runs Lausitzring Quicker Than 991 911 GT3

CanAutM3 · 01-05-2021, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JustChris

The time is really good I'm sure but does it make sense that a base M8 is still faster, even though M5CS probably costs a lot more?

Looking forward to seeing the full reveal though. I do like the direction they've gone with this M5, I can see it selling well.

From what I gather, the lap times stated in the OP are from FastestLaps.com, which is not the most reliable source. So the M8 lap times cannot necessarily be compared (we don't know state of tune). As I previously stated, the only true comparison here is the difference Autibild state between the M5cs and the M5competition.

vcx · 01-05-2021, 09:24 AM

track temperature probably plays a role as well

Salespunk · 01-05-2021, 09:35 AM

Comparing just the M5C vs the M5cs, 1.5 seconds over a 1:33 lap is a massive improvement. Wonder how much of that is just tires though?

Ghostriderf80 · 01-05-2021, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by M2C_PLUS

Difference is.......GT3 will do that time all day

Absolutely, lap after lap. The time difference is minuscule.
Also a car that has been around for years. Eternally BMW is chasing Porsche. A fair comparison would be 992 GT3 vs M5 CS. Not clever marketing I suppose.

AHall · 01-05-2021, 11:03 AM

I do not think Porsche has a direct competitor for the M5. Even the Panamera is more of a comparison to a 7 series or S class. How is the 992 GT3 a fair comparison?

What does any of this mean for drivers of these cars? Are the differences in performance only realized when the cars are driven near limits never to be experienced by some high percentage of people who will actually buy an M5?

stein_325i · 01-05-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AHall

I do not think Porsche has a direct competitor for the M5. Even the Panamera is more of a comparison to a 7 series or S class. How is the 992 GT3 a fair comparison?

What does any of this mean for drivers of these cars? Are the differences in performance only realized when the cars are driven near limits never to be experienced by some high percentage of people who will actually buy an M5?

The closest Porsche competitor is probably the Taycan despite being an EV.

sharocks · 01-05-2021, 11:58 AM

Again who cares about a fast 4000 lb+ sedan around a race track.

None of the owners are buying it for that.

I can't believe it but James May was right all those years ago for hating auto manufacturers for building cars around Nurburgring lap times. Absolutely translates into a worse street car and yes I am old now.

lsal · 01-05-2021, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by adeuel

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Originally Posted by lsal

Those settings make no sense on the track 🤷*♂️

To some, the lighter turning weight is better for the turns.
To me, the heavier steering is only better to help straight line tracking.

Fair, I guess it's a matter of personal taste...

adc · 01-06-2021, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sharocks

Again who cares about a fast 4000 lb+ sedan around a race track.

None of the owners are buying it for that.

Exactly. That’s what the M3 is for. Which in G80 Competition guise weighs... wait for it... over 4,000 lbs. Even the RWD one is at over 3,900 lbs.

Crazy, but once the M2CS will be out of production soon, BMW will no longer make cars you track.

Salespunk · 01-06-2021, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by adc

Exactly. That’s what the M3 is for. Which in G80 Competition guise weighs... wait for it... over 4,000 lbs. Even the RWD one is at over 3,900 lbs.

Crazy, but once the M2CS will be out of production soon, BMW will no longer make cars you track.

Even the M2CS is heavy relative to its size.

IMO the HP wars are way over done now and it has degenerated into bragging rights instead of improved driving dynamics.

If one of the major manufacturers shifts focus to truly reducing weight with current HP levels they are going to dominate the market. Think of a G80 M3CS weighing less than 3500 lbs or an M5CS under 4000 lbs. Build in the idea of a CS model from the start of the engineering process and it should be achievable. Remove comfort access, power trunks, simplify door panels, add carbon hood/trunk, carbon buckets, etc and it is not really that far off. Would be an incredible halo car for each series and bring the true enthusiasts back into the fold.

stein_325i · 01-06-2021, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Salespunk

IMO the HP wars are way over done now and it has degenerated into bragging rights instead of improved driving dynamics.

This x100000. I am so over the horsepower wars.

adc · 01-06-2021, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Salespunk

Even the M2CS is heavy relative to its size.

IMO the HP wars are way over done now and it has degenerated into bragging rights instead of improved driving dynamics.

If one of the major manufacturers shifts focus to truly reducing weight with current HP levels they are going to dominate the market. Think of a G80 M3CS weighing less than 3500 lbs or an M5CS under 4000 lbs. Build in the idea of a CS model from the start of the engineering process and it should be achievable. Remove comfort access, power trunks, simplify door panels, add carbon hood/trunk, carbon buckets, etc and it is not really that far off. Would be an incredible halo car for each series and bring the true enthusiasts back into the fold.

Not happening at BMW I’m afraid. Next M5 will be coming in 2 flavors apparently, a hybrid with over 700BHP (and more weight) and a 1000BHP all electric monster (with probably even more weight).

And the G80 is a lost cause, weight wise. By doing what you are suggesting you can drop at most 150lbs, and that will only get it at the 3750 lbs mark. That’s exactly the recipe they applied with the M3CS and M2CS and dropped less than 100lbs.

Based on this, there is little hope even for the next generation M2, which I predict will gain at least 150lbs over the current generation.

AHall · 01-06-2021, 02:06 PM

But like Sharock said, who cares? Who wants a gutted M5 without the luxury features and hard seats? Just so the car can drive faster around a track I am never going to visit. All this on a car most people already cannot drive in such a way that the reported weaknesses are revealed.

Salespunk · 01-06-2021, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by adc

Not happening at BMW I’m afraid. Next M5 will be coming in 2 flavors apparently, a hybrid with over 700BHP (and more weight) and a 1000BHP all electric monster (with probably even more weight).

And the G80 is a lost cause, weight wise. By doing what you are suggesting you can drop at most 150lbs, and that will only get it at the 3750 lbs mark. That’s exactly the recipe they applied with the M3CS and M2CS and dropped less than 100lbs.

Based on this, there is little hope even for the next generation M2, which I predict will gain at least 150lbs over the current generation.

I am just dreaming in writing.

ANP202 · 01-08-2021, 01:22 PM

I reckon you’d enjoy slower lap in 991 GT3 10 times over.

solstice · 01-08-2021, 05:57 PM

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I reckon you’d enjoy slower lap in 991 GT3 10 times over.

Not at all enjoyable if I’m blue flagged to let a family sedan pass...

Now, getting a GT3 blue flagged in my family sedan, that is enjoyable!

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AHall Lieutenant Colonel 982 Rep 1,797 Posts Drives: 1993 Nissan 240sx Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Frisco, Texas iTrader: (0)	I do not think Porsche has a direct competitor for the M5. Even the Panamera is more of a comparison to a 7 series or S class. How is the 992 GT3 a fair comparison? What does any of this mean for drivers of these cars? Are the differences in performance only realized when the cars are driven near limits never to be experienced by some high percentage of people who will actually buy an M5?
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AHall Lieutenant Colonel 982 Rep 1,797 Posts Drives: 1993 Nissan 240sx Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Frisco, Texas iTrader: (0)	But like Sharock said, who cares? Who wants a gutted M5 without the luxury features and hard seats? Just so the car can drive faster around a track I am never going to visit. All this on a car most people already cannot drive in such a way that the reported weaknesses are revealed.
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