[JakeW1990]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Your last tune was professionally installed so I assume the tuner verified it loaded. I don’t think there is much you can do without a dyno or logs. I’d prefer logs to a dyno since a dyno might not help you pinpoint a problem but a log can provide 10 points of data or more.

Maybe buy a used jb4 with Bluetooth phone app and do some logs. Once sorted out, resell the jb4 and you should not lose much money.

Or pay a tuner to actually dyno tune the car rather than just flash it for you. The tuner will then be troubleshooting your car for you but he has expertise with tuning issues and will have the ability to log to pinpoint issues.

I'm thinking BM3 with their wireless adapter for mobile devices and then can get a custom tune and disable catalytic converter cell while I'm at it. Gonna wait for my MAD downpipes to get here and the refund for the NP tune before getting anything else. I'll ask them to check and see if they can find anything wrong with it when they revert it back to stock. Almost thinking there might be a piggyback somewhere that could be overriding the flashes.

[Antec800]

A piggyback can’t overRide flashes, either the dinan tune is somewhat still flashed Hopefully you flashed it back to stock before returning it, or the new tuner didn’t actually do anything you’re running stock times

[JakeW1990]

Originally Posted by Antec800

A piggyback can’t overRide flashes, either the dinan tune is somewhat still flashed Hopefully you flashed it back to stock before returning it, or the new tuner didn’t actually do anything you’re running stock times

I didn't have any involvement in any of the flashes other than pay for them. I would have assumed they would have taken the appropriate steps since I had told them the issues of no gains with the Dinan flash.

They are going to refund me. I've just got to get the car back to them for them to remove their software and revert it back to stock- that being said, it should definitely be cleared and ready for BM3 and flashes through that. The $2,600 for the tune is going to go towards BM3 and the cables. Going to go the custom route and see if that works.

I did look at the the service records and plugs were changed about 12k miles ago so ruled that out. I am going to have them look over the car, top to bottom, while waiting on the flash back to stock.

[Antec800]

Get ready for 130+ mph traps with bm3

[nsanity]

I think its incredibly unlikely that 2 different flash vendors wouldn't see a MPH increase w/ an OTS tune. One maybe, but not 2.

My money is that you have an underlying issue that is pulling timing.

[JakeW1990]

Originally Posted by nsanity

I think its incredibly unlikely that 2 different flash vendors wouldn't see a MPH increase w/ an OTS tune. One maybe, but not 2.

My money is that you have an underlying issue that is pulling timing.

My cables should be here Monday. I'll be able to log some pulls and get the facts to see what's going on finally.

[JakeW1990]

Cables came in so got a BM3 license and got some lunch in the car. Did a test hit after the car was warmed up and got a max of 22psi. Still figuring out how to get logs to save so only have the image to go off min/max unfortunately. Confirms that stock psi thresholds are still being utilized.

Can't adjust anything until Noelle refunds me but fingers crossed that this can finally be resolved via custom tune.

Mad primaries arrived. Just need the secondaries to get here and will have catless downpipes to add to the equation. Hopefully they'll satisfy my wants for audible increases without being a nuisance.

[MNoob]

Oh, Noelle

👀

[JakeW1990]

Originally Posted by MNoob

Oh, Noelle

👀

The same issue was with Dinan as well so I don't believe it to be targeted to a specific vendor. Both Dinan and Noelle have had great customer support in both instances so it's more of an inconvenience than anything else at this point. People have had great results meeting expectations with both vendors- in my case I've ran stock ETs/trap with both so seems like a step is being missed somewhere. Hoping BM3 can resolve the missed step using another well known custom tuner. We'll see…

[nsanity]

What fuel are you using?

[JakeW1990]

Originally Posted by nsanity

What fuel are you using?

93

[JakeW1990]

Originally Posted by JakeW1990

The same issue was with Dinan as well so I don't believe it to be targeted to a specific vendor. Both Dinan and Noelle have had great customer support in both instances so it's more of an inconvenience than anything else at this point. People have had great results meeting expectations with both vendors- in my case I've ran stock ETs/trap with both so seems like a step is being missed somewhere. Hoping BM3 can resolve the missed step using another well known custom tuner. We'll see…

So there's been an exception. Talked to some Ronald guy today and he was nothing short of a douche on the phone. My positive experience has been with GCR Alpharetta and not NP. NP is 0/1 on conversation.

[Antec800]

Any updates

[nsanity]

brother needs to log boost and timing, supply to the OTS tuning company and find out if its hitting the targets?

[JakeW1990]

Originally Posted by nsanity

brother needs to log boost and timing, supply to the OTS tuning company and find out if its hitting the targets?

I purchased BM3 and logged a couple of hits. The car is only seeing 22psi and only around 9* timing during WOT. Their flash did not take.

[JakeW1990]

Snapshot from the top of 4th.

[nsanity]

I think you need to provide more info - e.g Longterm fuel trims etc - but ultimately with the OTS tunes, you're either hitting their targets or not.

If you're not hitting it, there will be a condition (fuel quality, IAT's, EGT's, DA, whatever) that is preventing it.

[JakeW1990]

Originally Posted by nsanity

I think you need to provide more info - e.g Longterm fuel trims etc - but ultimately with the OTS tunes, you're either hitting their targets or not.

If you're not hitting it, there will be a condition (fuel quality, IAT's, EGT's, DA, whatever) that is preventing it.

The picture shows everything is at stock levels. The target psi is still stock as well. IAT were at 108 on a triple digit day of heat here. My local DA on an average day costs me around 0.15-0.20 on a quarter mile versus sea level. Not that big a deal considering it's usually 85% humidity and 98 degrees with a feels like of 106+. Nothing like struggling to breathe. Lol. Stock boost. Stock timing, which is extremely conservative. I've had multiple tanks of gas from different stations and the times are either 11.04 or 11.05. All runs are within 0.01 of a second of each other- not bad gas. The car isn't building enough heat to have high EGT's. The timing and boost level is way too low. I will have catless DP's installed in a week or so, so that will help with flow and not flashing a converter. AFR's aren't wild or lean either so that helps keeps EGT's down.

As for STFT and LTFT, I got 29mpg on a 380 mile trip for the last flash. I average 24+ in town with minimal heavy right foot and around 22.8 around town while driving in a spirited manner. No issues here. Plugs were changed about 12k miles ago so that checks too.

Out of everything I have showed to reputable tuners, there's nothing that's coming to their mind. What I see in the image above is the MAF reading. Y'all go do a calculation and tell me what y'all think this car should be making HP wise with that Lb/min. I'll wait. 🤣

Outside of that, the only suggestion that was made was that the car's DME software needs to be updated and that it not being the same version the flash was built for is likely causing problems. Seems plausible.

I don't even care to flash to stock and then use an OTS tune yet because I haven't gotten my $2,600 refund for the 0% increase in performance from Noelle. Once I'm refunded, I'll be using the 93 aggressive flash to see what that does after making sure the car is fully updated. Idk…this just sucks really. Car is healthy- runs as it should in my DA for a stock car. Just won't take flashes from 2 vendors so far.

[ambletx]

Originally Posted by JakeW1990

I average 24+ in town with minimal heavy right foot and around 22.8 around town while driving in a spirited manner.

I have nothing to add to this thread other than WTF?!?!? Are you sure you have an M5? I'm lucky if I get double digit MPG.

[MNoob]

Originally Posted by ambletx

I have nothing to add to this thread other than WTF?!?!? Are you sure you have an M5? I'm lucky if I get double digit MPG.

yeah, i averaged 11

[Antec800]

So you have flashed to 93 bm3 tune or just logging the noelle tune so far

[JakeW1990]

Originally Posted by ambletx

I have nothing to add to this thread other than WTF?!?!? Are you sure you have an M5? I'm lucky if I get double digit MPG.

Hahaha. Good lord! That's like my CTS-V on E85 when I had it. My record for a 90 mile trip is almost 31mpg.