[zenmaster]

https://drivetribe.com/t/PM1aLGX2RIK...ScKJ8_eqr6gEsg

[akkando]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

hopefully all cars are DCT or all are manual so that we are comparing apples to apples.

It's not clear to me at a glance what the BMW and Porsche had for their transmission in this test.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by akkando

It's not clear to me at a glance what the BMW and Porsche had for their transmission in this test.

They were both manuals.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

They were both manuals.

thanks

BMW US Spec for M2 curb weight is 3450 lbs for manual - the M2 as tested weight in this comparo - 1557 kg = 3432 lbs

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

https://drivetribe.com/t/PM1aLGX2RIK...ScKJ8_eqr6gEsg

The motor in that Audi is a straight up monster.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

The motor in that Audi is a straight up monster.

Agree. The 0-100mph time is bonkers

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by clbmw

Agree. The 0-100mph time is bonkers

The 100-130 mph time is what is bonkers. Holy moley.

[ThugzZ BunnY]

fuck the TT is fast.

[CosmosMpower]

Dang M2 really falls on it's face after 100. I'll just make sure I'm in my tuned F80 in case of any run ins with a TT-RS

[atxsk8r]

Fast lap results plus i had to add the other pic

[4everkidd]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

So a cf roof, M mirrors and a more bespoke interior may be part of/ define the fun factor of a car?
Cheers
Robin

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

He just needs to F off and buy an M4.
It's already in his screen name anyway.

Originally Posted by BruceM

Exactly. The very next time I see suggestions that serious decisions about sports cars be made based on the presence or absence of M mirrors or the like, I swear I'm going to puke.

Apparently I touched a nerve stating my opinion that I found the car disappointing... Imagine when I add that I find it feminine

... and I already own a F80 M3

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by atxsk8r

Fast lap results plus i had to add the other pic

So as fast as the RS is in a straight line, and yes, it's freaking fast, it basically ties the much slower M2 on that particular curcuit. It's a small track, too with a well under 2 minute/lap where AWD would be beneficial through tight turns. Is this just another Audi understeering example? I'm guessing the 60/40 weight distribution isn't helping matters either.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

They were both manuals.

Seems like if they are going to do a by the numbers comparison of dyno, 0-60, and lap times they should be using the same transmission in each car if possible. Unless the argument is that no one interested in the numbers would buy a DCT if given the option for a manual, but I don't believe that, outside the US anyway.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by 4everkidd

Apparently I touched a nerve stating my opinion that I found the car disappointing... Imagine when I add that I find it feminine

... and I already own a F80 M3

That thing has 4 doors. That's for picking up the kids from school........

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by akkando

That thing has 4 doors. That's for picking up the kids from school........

That's a part of his so called fun factor.


Cheers
Robin

[Verdi]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

So as fast as the RS is in a straight line, and yes, it's freaking fast, it basically ties the much slower M2 on that particular curcuit. It's a small track, too with a well under 2 minute/lap where AWD would be beneficial through tight turns. Is this just another Audi understeering example? I'm guessing the 60/40 weight distribution isn't helping matters either.

Exactly. Bloody useless. Give the M2 that kind of power and it will walk away.

I wasn't going to but now I feel tempted on getting a complete stage 2 done. Intercooler, air filter, downpipe with race cat, exhaust, tune... Why? Because why the hell not? The tuner says it will get 450PS (444 bhp). The same as the M4 ZCP S55.

Will cost me maybe $8k. Fair value for money? Milltek exhaust which is why the price isn't higher.

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by Verdi

Exactly. Bloody useless. Give the M2 that kind of power and it will walk away.

I wasn't going to but now I feel tempted on getting a complete stage 2 done. Intercooler, air filter, downpipe with race cat, exhaust, tune... Why? Because why the hell not? The tuner says it will get 450PS (444 bhp). The same as the M4 ZCP S55.

Will cost me maybe $8k. Fair value for money? Milltek exhaust which is why the price isn't higher.

a 365 bhp M2 is fun. A 444 bhp M2 is a whole lot funner.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Verdi

Exactly. Bloody useless. Give the M2 that kind of power and it will walk away.

I wasn't going to but now I feel tempted on getting a complete stage 2 done. Intercooler, air filter, downpipe with race cat, exhaust, tune... Why? Because why the hell not? The tuner says it will get 450PS (444 bhp). The same as the M4 ZCP S55.

Will cost me maybe $8k. Fair value for money? Milltek exhaust which is why the price isn't higher.

M4 ZCP makes 444whp (91oct) - which is like 500bhp.

[Verdi]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

M4 ZCP makes 444whp (91oct) - which is like 500bhp.

Is that one of those urban myths or is it any truth behind it?

I drove M3 and M4 ZCP on a track last week and they were fast but I'm not sure they were 500 bhp fast.

[Verdi]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

a 365 bhp M2 is fun. A 444 bhp M2 is a whole lot funner.

I sent them an email asking for some clarifications. To me it seems like 444bhp is a bit too much considering what other tuners have said about the M2 N55.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Verdi

Is that one of those urban myths or is it any truth behind it?

I drove M3 and M4 ZCP on a track last week and they were fast but I'm not sure they were 500 bhp fast.

I just got an F80 ZCP, and I would believe that it's making more than the advertised BHP figures. The car pulls like a freight train, and would probably benefit from more/stickier rear tire - there's a lot of power for sure.

There's some DINAN related threads on the F80/F82 tuning site of Bimmerpost, and if I am remembering correctly, DINAN had a graph that showed the ZCP dynoed at ~507 BHP at the crank before the stage 1 Tune was applied...

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Verdi

Is that one of those urban myths or is it any truth behind it?

I drove M3 and M4 ZCP on a track last week and they were fast but I'm not sure they were 500 bhp fast.

Dynojet numbers from the f80 forum. 444whp. Figure 12.5% drivetrain loss for the 500bhp number. You got a lot more modding to do! Btw this is all common knowledge. The non ZCP puts down just about 420whp.